did lennox lewis have any flaws

Yeah, and the only reason i’ll say this is because of his win against Vitali nd the Holyfield being less shot than holmes. But other than that? Bums. Overrated **** doesn’t deserve to be mentioned anywhere near ali resume wise.

 

Lol “lacking nuance” is what 90% of tyson haters are. I remember arguing with one who claimed that Tyson ducked RAY ****ING MERCER like what?

Mike tyson also beat good fighters across several generations but his haters will CONSTANTLY bring up the fact that he never beat an ATG in his prime, like lennox ever did. I’m sick and tired of lennox fanboys acting like he’s anywhere near ALI resume wise. Ali beat actual ATGs when they were in their prime. I personally don’t rate him higher than Ali, Louis, Foreman, Holmes, and frazier.

Tyson in 1996 offered him a 13.5 m guarantee or 4 m in step aside. He chose the step aside AFAIK.

Holyfield was war torn and not as energetic as he was in 1992. In the rematch when holyfield took more chances, it was actually a close fight. Now 1992 holyfield had 10 times as much energy as 1999 holyfield, but at the cost of some physical strength. However, holyfield didn’t rely on bullying to fight lennox as lennox isn’t tyson.

Yes, putting my lewis hate boner down, I can fairly consider him a top 10 or even top 5 ATG as he was amongst the best in his era, but there are a certain subsection of boxing “fans” (more namely the reddit incel brigade) give him waaay to much credit than he deserves. His resume is quite literally saved by his last fight against Vitali Klitchsko which has me rating him higher than Iron Mike Tyson.

 

Ruddock, Golota, Mercer, Tua etc were all solid and rated when Lewis beat them

 

“etc” yeah bud can’t name them.

Oh so when Tyson beats Golota and Ruddock, they become bums, but when lewis beats them, they become solid? And tyson literally hospitalized ruddock in the rematch,

Tua was an unskilled headhunter who had no concept of defense. On par with tyson’s win over a tyrell biggs or a trevor berbick.

I assume you’ll rank tyson’s win over jesse ferguson as a solid win then, considering that Ferguson beat merger not once, but arguably twice?

 

I have never denigrated Tyson or his resume, personally. I have him top 10, though probably at the back end. I just felt your initial post was a bit unfair to Lewis. We probably don't disagree on that much. No fighter is perfect. But, yes, I think that discussing a fighters strengths and weaknesses in a fair way is essential for a reasonable debate.

 

Yeah, Tyson almost never gets fair analysis and you have a lot of history revisionists which claim he ducked a bunch of overrated hypejobs like ray mercer, ike ibeabuchi (which timelines never overlapped as tyson was suspended when ike was considered a top hw), byrd, and the klitchsko brothers who were only noted when tyson was a shot zombie. Oh yeah, one particular person claimed that mike tyson ducked oliver mccall. Can you believe that? Oliver Mccall lmao.

I am simply being the same way to lennox lewis as many boxing “fans” are to mike tyson.

 

A resume of Vitali, Holyfield, Bruno, Golota, Ruddock, Morrison, Mercer, Tucker is a good record, and even the likes of Briggs and Grant were ranked when Lewis beat them. You're just a biased Tyson fan discrediting Lewis when nobodies even arguing about Tyson but you.

David Tua has as better record than Tyrell Biggs and Trevor Berbick. Who called Golota a bum ?

 

I still don't see how people factor the Tyson win as some kind of great achievement. That version of Tyson for me doesn't even count among Lewis' top 10 wins.

In my opinion, that version of Tyson would've lost against the versions of Klitschko, Holyfield, Mercer, McCall, Tua, Tucker, Ruddock, Briggs, Morrison, Bruno, Rahman that Lewis beat

That's a great deep resumé, no doubt, but the Tyson win is meaningful in name only.

 

Tyson only had one world class win post-prison and that was mental midget Golota. The rest of his resume was pretty bad and he lost to Holyfield, Lewis, and a couple of journeymen to end his career. Effectively, Tyson was done once he went to prison.

 

his chin was a little shaky and he seems to lack focus and drive sometimes.

 

typical lewis dickrider. Blatant Historical Revision at its finest.

>Vitali. Sure I have given credit for this win. Hwoever wther he would’ve won had the fight continued is up to bet. Btw this is his best win, and it came after tyson, procing holmes was still considerably closer to his prime than tyson who was a zombie at that time
>Holyfield. Yes Sure, I believe this win trumps tysons win against holmes be cuz holyfield would go on to win a championship after losing to lewis. Holmes never did although he came very close.
>Golota, only one in his prime, and also tyson dispatched him in 2. You guys will say tyson beat nobody and then include boxers tyson also beat when mentioning overrated Lewis’s
>Morrison, overrated bum who beat nobody and had HIV and was also past his prime.
>Ruddock, tyson’s leftovers, funny how you guys will say ruddock is a bum and journeyman when he fought tyson, but when he fought lewis he’s an atg
>Tucker, Against, tyson’s leftovers, also shot and past his prime
>briggs, a literal journeyman level fighter who actually lost to journeymen like “Prime Darrel Wilson” and a 60 year old foreman.
>Mercer, against a shitty bum who failed at the elite level and even lost to journeymen liek Jesse Ferguson, and we all know what a green tyson did to jesse ferguson.
>Grant, overrated hypejob, a tyrell biggs of the 90s.

David Tua was nothing more than an unskilled wild brawler who had no fundamentals whatsoever. That’s why inexperienced Oleg Maschaev managed to humiliate him for 11 rounds till Tuas power bailed him out. Same w Rahman. His power always bailed him out. He never won a championship and never had the skills to win a championship.

 

We need to subdivide tysons prison career into two parts:
Pre bite fight
Post bite fight

Pre bite fight tyson was still formidable.He looked great against Bruno who was by all means a good fighter, and he went neck and neck with Holyfield until mentally giving up in round 6. Same with the rematch. He was outclassing holyfield in that third round after two bad rounds till he bit evander s ear in retaliation for a blatant headbutt. He displayed great movement in that rematch. I think this version of tyson takes lennox to war before being stopped late or a narrow loss. he had all the tools necessary to do so.

Post Bite fight tyson was a shell of who he was. Tyson had altogether abandoned his peekaboo defense and was weighing in at 230-240. The only exception is the year 2000 where looked great and that year was his last chnage at ever even getting a punchers chance at lennox. He looked phenomenal against Golota and cracked him twice, something bowe could never ever do. Asides from that, he was a zombie. A broke zombie who should have never fought lennox as he would have no chance. Tyson didn’t have the gift nor the heart to beat a champ like Lennox who was literally giving vitali the work. He didn’t care about boxing. Look at his interviews from before and after the bite fight. His mental health was through the shitter and IMO, he should have retired after Golota or Lewis. Seeing him lose to kevin mcbride was heart breaking ngl.

 

I personally think Prime versions of Tyson, Foreman, Frazier and Norton would defeat him

Toss up against Holmes and Ali

Beats holyfield, Bowe, and everyone else

 

You're making excuses, a win is a win at world or the elite level. It doesn't matter how you revise history all the fighters listed were ranked in the top 5/10. Lewis despatched Golota quicker btw

Morrison was top 10 and beat Foreman, who was ranked in that period, he beat Moorer too, who has a win over Holyfield. Tucker had won all his fights before the Lewis fight, he even looked fine during fight even if he was past his prime nothing indicates he was shot.

 

Quite literally making up history at this point. When did tommy morrison ever fight Michael Moorer? Please answer me this. Sure a win against Old Foreman. Alex Stewart also has a controversial bout with Foreman. If a win over old foreman is the standard here, then why do reddit incel boxing “fans” declare alex stewart to be some bum, when tyson absolutely obliterated him within 1 round.

A win is indeed a win so why do you lennox fanboys constantly say tyson fought “nobodies” when everyone in his reign was either champion, number one contender, or top 5 ranked?

Tucker was literally 40 at that time, and even then he almost KOed lewis. He was also 15 lbs heavier than what he was in his prime and didn’t have the movement or jab he displayed vs prime tyson or douglas.

No lewis hate boner, i can admit he’s a higher atg than tyson but he’s not significantly. I have lewis at 5-6 while i have tyson at 9-10.