Did Lennox's win vs Vitali hurt his career?

crippet · Mar 30, 2012

tuckYOchin said: ↑

Lewis' legacy is enhanced in trhe eyes of ANY knowledgable boxing fan.
There can be no doubt about it.

Anyone who knows anything about the history of the Heavyweight division knows that in historical terms, this 'should' have been a passing of the torch fight. It has happened in generation after generation of heavies.

Lewis was 3 months shy of his 38th birthday, and facing a legitimate threat in VK. Did he look great before the bell, during the fight, or even after the fight? Not particularly. He started sluggish, and VK touched him plenty in the first few rounds.

But guess what? He walked through the fire; right through that ****, opened cuts all over the place, kept the pressure, and STOPPED his opponent.

The opponent who started strong, who had the opportunity to grab that torch like so many young challengers to the throne. It has happened over and over again in heavyweight history. Lesser fighters than Klitschko were able to grab that torch in the past, yet he couldn't do it against LL.

What Lewis did was the equivalent of Louis (37) beating Marciano, of Ali (38) beating Holmes, of Holmes (37,39) beating Spinks and Tyson, etc etc.

The pattern has been repeated for the entirety of boxing history: great fighter slows down, young fighter seizes the opportunity, grabs the torch and marches on toward future greatness. Instead, this challenger had his opportunity, and missed it.

Rather than marching forward with his new title to secure his own legacy, VK spent the next decade looking in the rearview. If he thinks he truly "won" that fight like you ****ing fatherless ***gots, why has he still not let it go. Answer, VK, a man smarter than his Klit-only fans, knows the score.

Why couldn't your hero, the one you pay all your attention to, at the expense of common sense and any semblance of boxing knowledge, grab that torch like every other young hungry contender?

Answer, he simply wasn't good enough.

Or Lennox was too good. At a time in his career where he was ripe for the picking, where countless ATG heavies had faltered in their careers, LL fought a young hungry contender and sent him along, vanquished.

THAT is proof right there that this fight enhanced LL's legacy.
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Great post

This should be a sticky at the top of the forums

Daruf · Mar 30, 2012

tuckYOchin said: ↑

Lewis' legacy is enhanced in trhe eyes of ANY knowledgable boxing fan.
There can be no doubt about it.

Anyone who knows anything about the history of the Heavyweight division knows that in historical terms, this 'should' have been a passing of the torch fight. It has happened in generation after generation of heavies.

Lewis was 3 months shy of his 38th birthday, and facing a legitimate threat in VK. Did he look great before the bell, during the fight, or even after the fight? Not particularly. He started sluggish, and VK touched him plenty in the first few rounds.

But guess what? He walked through the fire; right through that ****, opened cuts all over the place, kept the pressure, and STOPPED his opponent.

The opponent who started strong, who had the opportunity to grab that torch like so many young challengers to the throne. It has happened over and over again in heavyweight history. Lesser fighters than Klitschko were able to grab that torch in the past, yet he couldn't do it against LL.

What Lewis did was the equivalent of Louis (37) beating Marciano, of Ali (38) beating Holmes, of Holmes (37,39) beating Spinks and Tyson, etc etc.

The pattern has been repeated for the entirety of boxing history: great fighter slows down, young fighter seizes the opportunity, grabs the torch and marches on toward future greatness. Instead, this challenger had his opportunity, and missed it.

Rather than marching forward with his new title to secure his own legacy, VK spent the next decade looking in the rearview. If he thinks he truly "won" that fight like you ****ing fatherless ***gots, why has he still not let it go. Answer, VK, a man smarter than his Klit-only fans, knows the score.

Why couldn't your hero, the one you pay all your attention to, at the expense of common sense and any semblance of boxing knowledge, grab that torch like every other young hungry contender?

Answer, he simply wasn't good enough.

Or Lennox was too good. At a time in his career where he was ripe for the picking, where countless ATG heavies had faltered in their careers, LL fought a young hungry contender and sent him along, vanquished.

THAT is proof right there that this fight enhanced LL's legacy.
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What a horrible analogy, this only makes sense in the context of any of those former greats getting their ass kicked and needing a cut to win.

People that think any of this post makes any sense have no grasp on reality whatsoever.

You make it sound like Lewis had a dominant victory and then immediately announced his retirement knowing that his time was up.

Reality was that he had no intension whatsoever to retire, got a very fortunate win, promised a rematch and then took over a year to makeup his mind knowing that the only fight out there for him was a rematch.

Idiots like you is what makes this forum such a troll magnet.
Actually you are a troll alt.

Rob887 · Mar 30, 2012

No, I'd say it sealed his legacy even more.

zenek2 · Mar 30, 2012

Lewis was lucky, that's all. He was hoping that maybe sanders can beat vitali so he still was active by that time, but after that fight vitali became mandatory so lewis decided it's time to run.

Bubby · Mar 30, 2012

awesome1612 said: ↑

It's a funny double standard

When Lewis faced Tyson, he was in the prime of his career and that's the only reason he won. When Lewis faced Vitali Klitschko, his NEXT fight, he was not in his prime and was no where near it.

Anyone that thinks Lewis walks over Vitali in his prime is not only an idiot, but has to realize that Vitali is an amazing boxer. Lewis loses to Vitali in his prime just like he was getting his ass kicked in that match.

The match did hurt Lennox's career because it can always be used as the time that Lennox was actually outboxed. If Vitali didn't face Lewis people would always claim that Lewis would easily win, but with that match people understand the fact that Lewis can only win in a lucky fashion.
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:good

Momus · Mar 30, 2012

Daruf said: ↑

People that say Lewis was out of shape are just doing some massive revisionist history.
He looked as solid as ever and he was slightly higher in weight which in a 250lb guy can just be 1 meal.
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It isn't revisionist history, as it is what people said at the time. He was heavier than he was for the first Rahman fight, where he was also criticised for being out of shape.

Under Steward, Lewis' weight didn't fluctuate very much. Aside from the two fights where he clearly wasn't in shape (Rahman I and Klitschko), the only other time he was over 250 was in the second McCall fight, where Steward wanted him to come in heavy. To suggest that a 7 pound swing is a result of something he ate is ridiculous.

DrMo · Mar 30, 2012

tuckYOchin said: ↑

Lewis' legacy is enhanced in trhe eyes of ANY knowledgable boxing fan.
There can be no doubt about it.

Anyone who knows anything about the history of the Heavyweight division knows that in historical terms, this 'should' have been a passing of the torch fight. It has happened in generation after generation of heavies.

Lewis was 3 months shy of his 38th birthday, and facing a legitimate threat in VK. Did he look great before the bell, during the fight, or even after the fight? Not particularly. He started sluggish, and VK touched him plenty in the first few rounds.

But guess what? He walked through the fire; right through that ****, opened cuts all over the place, kept the pressure, and STOPPED his opponent.

The opponent who started strong, who had the opportunity to grab that torch like so many young challengers to the throne. It has happened over and over again in heavyweight history. Lesser fighters than Klitschko were able to grab that torch in the past, yet he couldn't do it against LL.

What Lewis did was the equivalent of Louis (37) beating Marciano, of Ali (38) beating Holmes, of Holmes (37,39) beating Spinks and Tyson, etc etc.

The pattern has been repeated for the entirety of boxing history: great fighter slows down, young fighter seizes the opportunity, grabs the torch and marches on toward future greatness. Instead, this challenger had his opportunity, and missed it.

Rather than marching forward with his new title to secure his own legacy, VK spent the next decade looking in the rearview. If he thinks he truly "won" that fight like you ****ing fatherless ***gots, why has he still not let it go. Answer, VK, a man smarter than his Klit-only fans, knows the score.

Why couldn't your hero, the one you pay all your attention to, at the expense of common sense and any semblance of boxing knowledge, grab that torch like every other young hungry contender?

Answer, he simply wasn't good enough.

Or Lennox was too good. At a time in his career where he was ripe for the picking, where countless ATG heavies had faltered in their careers, LL fought a young hungry contender and sent him along, vanquished.

THAT is proof right there that this fight enhanced LL's legacy.
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tuckYOchin said: ↑

@ Champion.

the disrespect is unreal. smh.

that night against LL, Mavrovic showed the kind of stones most can only dream of, including many well regarded heavies. :roll:

1. did you know ZM was actually 6'3 and fought as heavy as 223 3/4?

2. did you also know that he had been a pro for only 5 years when he went toe to toe with Lewis?

3. did you know he had serious health issues that forced his retirement from boxing?

no, you didn't know any of this, because you are ignorant, disrespectful, and a prime example of why this board, and boxing discourse in general, has gone to dog****.

If you have a bone to pick with Lewis fans, 8 years later, go see a doc about hormones so you can finally get through puberty and move the **** on.

Demeaning and mocking an honest pro like Mavrovic to further a petty and baseless argument with equally ******ed individuals shows your lack of respect for, and knowledge of, the sport of boxing.

Champion my ass. You are a mouse, taking cheapshots at those you could never hope to be like. Rest assurred, your father, if you ever knew him, is ashamed of you.

And I think we both know how you'd respond if Mavrovic or any of the fighters you degrade showed up in your parents' basement and asked you to repeat your sniveling bull****.

Back to the cupboard mouse.
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This guy is a legend :bowdown

I wish he posted more often

Threetime no1 · Mar 30, 2012

errrr NO not at all.

TKO6

GrizzyBeard · Mar 30, 2012

awesome1612 said: ↑

When Lewis faced Tyson, he was in the prime of his career and that's the only reason he won.
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Ive never seen anyone claim this. Tyson was shot to **** however and was there for a pay day.

Foreman Hook · Mar 30, 2012

Threetime no1 said: ↑

errrr NO not at all.

TKO6
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:good:good

I would say no other heavyweight ATG finished their career as strongly as Lewis TKO6.:ko

Look @Tyson, Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Louis, Dempsey, Johnson etc

- they all retired on a very very bad note.:verysad

Threetime no1 · Mar 30, 2012

awesome1612 said: ↑

It's a funny double standard

When Lewis faced Tyson, he was in the prime of his career and that's the only reason he won. When Lewis faced Vitali Klitschko, his NEXT fight, he was not in his prime and was no where near it.

Anyone that thinks Lewis walks over Vitali in his prime is not only an idiot, but has to realize that Vitali is an amazing boxer. Lewis loses to Vitali in his prime just like he was getting his ass kicked in that match.

The match did hurt Lennox's career because it can always be used as the time that Lennox was actually outboxed. If Vitali didn't face Lewis people would always claim that Lewis would easily win, but with that match people understand the fact that Lewis can only win in a lucky fashion.
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As in people i take it you mean Klitschko fans.

Plus who say' Lewis was prime against Tyson. Because he wasn't.

Foreman Hook · Mar 30, 2012

Threetime no1 said: ↑

As in people i take it you mean Klitschko fans.

Plus who say' Lewis was prime against Tyson. Because he wasn't.
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:good:good Old-Man Lenny Lion was 2 years past-prime VS Tinkerbell Tyson. :deal

And Lewis was OLDER!!:bbb

james! · Mar 30, 2012

Foreman Hook said: ↑

Tea Key Oh Six
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again...tea cakes at six?
ohhh tko6
:good

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Threetime no1 · Mar 30, 2012

Foreman Hook said: ↑

:good:good

I would say no other heavyweight ATG finished their career as strongly as Lewis TKO6.:ko

Look @Tyson, Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Louis, Dempsey, Johnson etc

- they all retired on a very very bad note.:verysad
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Exactly Hook.

Nigh on 38, just over a year's inactivity, semi-retired, took fight on 1-2 weeks notice, looking like a virtual imposter in the ring by the way he moved and punched.
If ever a champ was there for the taking it was that night.

Lewis never took a backwards step, found his old legs after 2 1/2 rounds, showed durability some people wrongly doubted he possessed, took the fight to Vitali and got his win.

Anyone who thinks he was at his peak against either Tyson or Vitali are frankly delusional.

He'd earned his spot as an ATG, was realistic with himself and retired on top and 'let the new era begin'.

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