Did Lou Duva teach Golota to shoulder roll?

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  1. Totentanz.

    Totentanz. Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire banned Full Member

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    Was analyzing a bit of his footage against Norris as well as some other fights, and the Sugarplum Fairy himself sure was good defensively when he had his head screwed on. He's probably the most underrated user of the shoulder roll, likely because all people remember from him are his low combinations.
     
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    You know that the shoulder roll goes back to boxing manuals from forever ago? The movement isn’t hard to learn, it’s the pursuit to use it skilfully that’s the hard part that credit belongs to Andrew. You could probably “get” the movement seeing a video on YouTube but employing it is the task, it’s just shifting your weight at the end of the day. I don’t know if Duva taught him but Taylor could’ve used it if he had the ability to communicate the lesson.
     
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  3. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Wasn't Duva his manager? I thought a guy named Roger ....forget the last name was his trainer. I know he worked with Sam Colona and Al Certo and possibly Ronnie Schields too. I don't think Lou was capable of teaching him anything TBH
     
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    Yes, I know that it goes all the way back, but Golota doesn't exactly seem like the kind of guy to "study" boxing. He was a freak of a talent and a freak of the mind, but I wouldn't bet on him having studied the art of the shoulder roll. When I see him move defensively, it's pretty slick, but it is in no doubt a TRAINED slick.
    I ask the question since I've seen quite a few fighters of Duva's pick up old defensive tricks like that and employ them in their own style. We can all see the similarity between Holyfield and Charles, and this is likely an echo of that. I wouldn't doubt that Lou trained these guys based off of the pros that he used to see in the game and tricks that they used, but I figured I'd point it.
     
  5. Overhand94

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    Don't remember about his shoulder roll, but Golota had very good bobbing and weaving movement.
     
  6. Totentanz.

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    That's true, but Duva seemed to be the name I hear whenever people talk about Golota. I think it's a slip of the mind thing.
     
  7. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    George Benton was very closely associated with Lu Duva. Watch George Benton fight and you will answer your own question as to where Duva fighters learned things defensively.
     
  8. Totentanz.

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    Yup, that's what I was thinking of.
     
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    Any of those tricks you see likely belong to George Benton. I am not sure Duva is a trainer.
     
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    I know it's Benton's maneuver, but once again, I don't think Golota watched footage of The Mayor in his freetime.
    Lou seemed to have taken up multiple roles in Andrew's career, as I went back to watch Bowe - Golota I, and when I went back to check if I was wrong- It turned out that Duva actually was Andrew's trainer.
    Lou entered the ring alongside him, spoke to him before the fight about their plan for the match, acted as his cornerman throughout the battle, and also is referenced directly as Golota's trainer.
     
  11. Charles White

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    Roger Bloodworth
     
  12. Totentanz.

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    I was watching some more of Golota - Norris, and damn was the Pole defensively sound. He was almost always in an angled traditional stance (And didn't square up very often), and he'd lock into a Philly Shell when he had to parry attacks. He had pretty quick hands for a heavyweight of his size, and he could throw combinations in any order pretty well. Andrew also led with his right a lot more often than any of his contemporaries.
     
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    Yes indeed my friend. Aside from his accursed mental state at times, Golota was in many ways a perfect heavyweight imho. Especially before the car accident that was detrimental to his superb jab.

    He had it all, size, power, speed, fluid combinations, and decent defense. He could have been something truly special. But alas, it was not meant to be. Either way, he was fun as heck to watch and I miss the Golota days.
     
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    Yeah, he's likely the biggest lost talent of them all amongst the heavyweights. His mental state during fights actually related to how he thought he was doing during a fight, believe it or not. He'd fight on cleanly if he thought he was behind, and he'd go haywire and start fouling if he thought he was ahead- At least, that's what Lou Duva said. I only learned this recently while listening to the commentary for the Norris fight, and apparently he thought he was BEHIND against Grant... Andrew really was a ****in nutcase, lol.

    Yeah, it really sucks that almost every time the guy nearly got to the top, he'd fall, either due to himself, or others. When he was beating Bowe, he freaked out. When he was beating Grant, he quit. And when he beat Byrd and Ruiz, he was robbed. He'll always be a champ to me.
     
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    Agreed, he should have been champ at least once out of those fights, if not both. He fought well in those bouts.
     
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