Did Louis EVER learn to keep his left up after a jab ?

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    He was hittable with the right, yes. Same as Ali was hittable with left hooks. Not a sucker, though. He was a sucker against Schmeling cos Max couldn't miss him. Joe is my favourite all time heavyweight but you can argue he was too easy to hit. His strengths were such that he overcame this, though. Galento hit Joe more with the left hook, by the way.
     
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    Quite possibly; but they would have to keep Louis down to do it, and as long as he is standing they have to endure lethal punches from both hands delivered in combinations.
    I still haven't seen a better puncher, technically, than Joe. He had a great EVERYTHING! Hook, right hand, overhand right, jab, right uppercut, body punches, left uppercut. He floored Baer with 3 left hooks; bang, bang, bang!

    Joe also beat genuine big men, so he can stand with today's fighters in that regard.
     
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    Fair points made, there. I am not saying Louis was perfect and size AND ability is harder to overcome than size alone, as you say. Some of those post 1960 heavies had glaring weaknesses, too though, for Joe to exploit. Interesting topic though!
     
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    Footage of Louis-Uzcudun does exist, but what I've seen isn't of the greatest quality. The aftermath of the knockdown showing Paulino on the deck is there, but I haven't seen the knockdown punch itself. It would be a shame if there was no footage of that, because referee Arthur Donovan said it was the hardest punch he ever witnessed. Louis himself said it was the hardest shot he ever threw, and that he couldn't believe it when Uzcudun made it back to his feet at the count of seven.
     
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    Whoops.....gotta jump in here on this one. Mendoz, I always read your posts expecting to learn a/o agree. Can't roll with you on this one though.

    Let me say first of all that I agree with the feeling that Louis even after the first Schmeling bout was getting tagged with right hands. That second fight, he gets tagged by a right hand. I like what McGrain is saying about that the fighters from earlier era held there hands in a position that suited their style. Fighters today hold their guard weird when they have major speed advantages that a prime Louis enjoyed every single fight until the Conn fight, maybe.

    He did not have limited lateral and head movement. He was efficient. He did not over do anything, on top of that his reaction timing was superior to any fighter that has ever fought. If you made a move on Joe, it had better be the safe move, because if you over-reached an inch, you were face down in that next sec

    Pressure guys being a problem for Joe. Nope. Pressure guys were getting backed up and put down early like everyone else. Galento tried and was put on his face. Yeah he flashed Joe, but Joe got back up on 2 and was back to pounding. Most guys knew better than to exchange, so the Conn's and Farr's danced around and tried to stay out of trouble by boxing. Farr boxed nicely but never took a real shot at taking the title by force. Conn looked good... then he was put away. Worst the second time.

    Walcott is a certified great. Looked great in one, Dropped and finished in II. Maricano was green and Louis was old. Advantage Maricano, still Louis was boxing well, and making Maricano look foolish at times.

    If you are going to beat Joe, coming at him ain't the way. Sticking and moving is your best bet and still it is almost a garuntee that you will be KO'ed.