Did Mackie Shilstone's Training Fail Bernard?

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  1. youngmonzon

    youngmonzon Active Member Full Member

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    Although Bernard LOOKED fit, he faded very badley in the second half of the fight.

    Bernard was so gassed he ended up disgracing himself with those faked low blow dramatics in order to get a break so that he could catch his wind.

    He seemed so winded that without the 3 minute plus break late in the fight Calzaghe may have stopped him.

    All that said, was all the expensive new age training from Shilstone worth it?

    Calzaghe's fitness (mental and physical) won him the fight. He got stronger down the stretch. And we all know that Calzaghe's trains the old school way. Running, hill work, bag work, etc.
     
  2. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No.

    Bernard was in the best shape he possibly could be.

    He faded due to other reasons.
     
  3. Primadonna Kool

    Primadonna Kool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "Bernard Hopkins is 43 years old, floored and pushed Joe Calzaghe in a close fight"

    He could not of did it will proper qaulity training.
     
  4. youngmonzon

    youngmonzon Active Member Full Member

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    I agree Calzaghe's work rate was a factor; however, Nard's conditioning did not enable him to keep up.
     
  5. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But Nard could not have better conditioning at his age. He was still in his best physcial shape, considering the circumstances.

    Add in the fact that Calzaghe set a pace that Hopkins hadn't been in in years, and there you have it.

    Blaming Shilstone or saying he failed Bernard is flat out wrong.
     
  6. youngmonzon

    youngmonzon Active Member Full Member

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    Before the Tarver fight, Nard trained much like Calzaghe does today. I never saw Nard gas. I believe Tarver's weight drained condition had as much to do with Hopkins dominating that fight as Hopkins skill.

    Nard did seem gassed against Winky as well, which makes me wonder whether he should have balanced the Shilstone training with some traditional boxing cardio, like he did in the past.
     
  7. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, Mackie did his part. Hopkins' body finally gave out on him. Age is what happened.
     
  8. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I disagree completely. Hopkins was as fresh as a daisy in the Winky fight. He finished incredilbly strong. I don't get where you get the notion that Hopkins seemed gas.
     
  9. ghostlybadge

    ghostlybadge Punch Drunk Full Member

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    old school training is needed i am not a fan of new age running on machines and stuff.

    yes BHOP looked out of it the last 5 rounds more than he has in any other fight i have seen him in. i think he has got old and the workrate of calzaghe is enough to make alot younger fighter gasp coming down the straight
     
  10. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, I think he'd have looked even older had he not used Shilstone.
     
  11. youngmonzon

    youngmonzon Active Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe's fitness and workrate made the difference. His endurance never faltered and his conditioning enabled him to come back strong in the first round, after being knocked down. His legs were strong under him, when he got up.

    On HBO's preview show, the training approaches could not have been more different. I loved the spartan, classic approach employed by Calzaghe. Running on the hilly roads and working out in the most basic, deviod of fancy equipment gym.

    I wonder how much Nard paid Shilstone and his team of trainers for all the high tech stuff?
     
  12. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think BERNARD did a great job for a 43 year old fighter. He even dropped JOE in the opening stanza.
     
  13. youngmonzon

    youngmonzon Active Member Full Member

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    Dropping Calzaghe in the first round did not require endurance and fitness.

    Nard lost the fight due to Calzaghe's work rate and due to the fact that Nard got TIRED in the second half of the fight.
     
  14. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, I don't blame Mackie.

    Hopkins is 43 and was fighting a guy in Calzaghe who made him fight at a faster pace than usual.

    Not Mackie's fault.
     
  15. boxingabc123

    boxingabc123 Member Full Member

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    Yea Hopkins did his best, and I thought he won 114-113. But he did a lot better against Joe than a younger fresher Kessler. Hops did great for a 43 year old. This loss is nobody's fault, Bernard just couldn't keep up with Joe who is known to have a crazy workrate.