Did Marciano train down to the 180s?

90 minutes of Gym work is plenty Seamus I know your game is deflating the past but one of the smartest guys in boxing said it can depend but 10 rounds of real work is all you need.
Notice I said real work? Read what you want though - The newspaper men fill pages with snapshots to get paid.
You haven’t been in a camp as a champion with Goldman you haven’t sparred with who Rocky did and you are fool to think you can compare yourself to Marciano. “Done harder” lol. I know I took the bait but come on.

 

OK, is it 90 minutes of work or 15 miles of running a day? Keep your story straight.

And while we're at stories, tell us your stories of being in a "Goldman camp"? I'm sure they are as unhinged as this entire thread.

 

Didn’t claim to believe in the fairytales Seamus? lots of guys likely toiled as hard I actually think endurance like the Rocks comes from your parents at that level. However you comparing yourself to a champion fighter who stood out for his hard work is ridiculous. Lol.

 

The man without visible abs at 185lbs was actually a naturally trained down 210lbs+ man?

The **** is wrong with you people... At first I thought the Rocky fellatio was funny but now it's just kinda sad.

Imagine being so delusional that you think Rocky Marciano was the same size as David Tua. Lord help us.

And before one of you morons talks about giving Rocky "access to modern training methods", it's not about lifting weights, it's about the size of his damn skeleton. Look at how large Tua's shoulders, hips, wrists and ankles are. That's what a modern, short heavyweight looks like. Marciano isn't even bigger than Beterbiev ffs and you idiots are talking about a trained down 215, jesus christ.

 

200 would have been roughly 10 lbs over his normal fighting weight....he fought in the 180's but he also fought in the 190's still looked trim. But just because he was 250+ retired doesn't mean much hell Roberto Duran would balloon to 200+ between fights...as do many fighters who trained down.

 

The low iq postings continue. Get a load of this Timmy. Ur right weight lifting doesn’t make u gain weight. Ur also right he didn’t train down from over 200. He went into training camp weighing188 left 188. Go enjoy some more paint chips in moms basement

 

By the gods, for the third and last time: There are newspaper reports in this very thread that show that Rocky didn't run more than other fighters.

You are constantly repeating myths.

Rocky trained down from 208 to 189 for Cockel. There's nothing special about that for someone in his 30's who has two fights a year. A 22-year old Ali put on 22 lbs after his first fight with Liston. I can't believe there's 10+ pages about this.

Just accept that he was a small HW.

 

1. I never said weight lifting doesn't make you gain weight. I said that the difference between Rocky's size and Tua isn't weight lifting, it's genetics.

2. When someone says a fighter is a "natural X" the implication is that that's their natural fighting weight, not their walking around weight. Who cares what ballooned up fighters walking around weight is? Does that prove that Ricky Hatton was actually a natural Light Heavyweight, who just cut down to welterweight? Does that prove that James Toney was actually a Heavyweight, that cut down to Middleweight? Does that prove that Rocky Marciano was actually a big heavyweight? No, no and no.

People are using the fact that Marciano got fat inbetween fights and pretending like it wasn't actually fat, but that he routinely lost 20lbs+ of pure muscle mass "to keep himself trim for 15 rounders!!!" which is utter nonsense.

Again, you don't go from 210lbs+ to a not-at-all lean 185lbs because you've cut from your"natural weight", you do it because you've gotten fat.

Call my post low-IQ then respond with your nonsense.

 

Logical and sensible post that will not be appreciated the the" Rockista Rimmers"!

 

It’s weight lifting and diet. Extremely low iq. The mental gymnastics by some of the mental midgets here is astounding. In the 1950s EVERY HEAVYWEIGHT was much lighter then todays heavyweights. It’s not genetics. Evolution of the human body has not occurred in 70 years. It’s diet and training. There were no 5”10 220 pound men running around unless they were fat *******s like Galento. Look at the top ten for the decade they were all much lighter then the next several decades. Despite having similar measurements height and reach. Well what happened in the next several decades? American diets changes drastically. Weight lifting was introduced. Then PEDs. All this resulted in men of the same size able to be much bigger then they would have been. Someone’s skeletal structure can only give so much more weight. As I stated they started their careers 8 pounds apart. That happened. What changed was Tuas goals were to gain weight and get bigger while Marciano’s was to get smaller and have better stamina. This isn’t a difficult concept to understand

 

1. It's not evolution of the human body, it's the evolution of the boxing talent pool.

The average height and weight of the American male is 5'10 and 201lbs.

The average height and weight of the Samoan male is 5'10 and 230lbs. And no, it's not because Samoans lift more weights and it's not because they have better diets it's because they're genetically predisposed to being huge.

2. Rocky Marciano weighed in at 192lbs his first professional fight as a 24 year old.

David Tua weighed in at 201lbs his first professional fight as a 19 year old.

So your evidence that Marciano is naturally the size of Tua is that as a fully grown man Marciano was outweighed 10lbs by the person that hadn't even finished puberty yet

Great stuff there Gazelle Punch, great stuff. Really put us low IQ mental midgets in our place.

Edit - Tua had his 20th birthday before a month or so before his first fight, my bad, that obviously changes everything

 

I will believe a reporter writing what he sees at the time over Rocky's brother years afterward every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.

And we have his trainer saying he started his camp for Cockel at 208 lbs, which he trained down to 189. There is NOTHING out of the ordinary with that. For ****s sake, just accept reality.

 

Tyson himself said many things about his training and there are plenty of videos.

 

He was small but he was 200 pounder, he once went from 215 to 187, but he could be lean at 200 lb.
Myths?
You mean his workout that used more cardio and fitness than Tyson?
I think Rocky would be fat over 205 lb but at 200 he would be still very fit.

 

There are actual sources here proving you wrong. Sources you have refused to acknowledge time and time again because you rather come off like a a bit of a twat than just admitting you're wrong.

An almost 32-year old Rocky trained down from 208 to 189. Said by his trainer to a newspaper at the time in question. Among the most typical thing a pro fighter can do during a camp. Nothing more to say about it.

Now I'm done wasting time on you.