Did Margarito pressure Williams like he did Cotto?

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  1. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Quintana could pressure & defeat Williams, But Margarito cannot? How is this? All these points you guys are making are valid, great viewpoints about Williams over Margarito. But I cannot see how on earth Williams lost to Carlos Quintana?! It's mindboggling!!
     
  2. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    See. I can almost agree with you on this. Except one minor point.

    1. Paul didn't fight a perfect fight. His footwork was sloppy the entire fight. He won on raw talent and physical attributes alone. He knows he has to do better. Plus he took two rounds off ear the end and it wound up almost costing him.
     
  3. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marg has to start early and be relentless form round 1 thru 12. He'll have to WORK the body from Jump and put away somthing for the later rounds.

    Paul and Marg have great stamina! But if you put in the body work early on someone will loose a half step going into the championship rounds.

    Marg didn't do enough of that in his fight with Williams...Willaims on the other hand did what he needed to do. He was boxing, giving angles, showing head and upper body movment all the while still outworking and out boxing marg. The way Paul was able to counter Marg off angles he used was awesome.

    The rematch will look similar but I think it will be a tighter decision where Marg makes it a VERY VERY tough fight to score. But I think Paul pulls it out.....but I wont be surprised whomever wins the rematch. They are very similar in terms of how the match up against one anther.
     
  4. JabCross727

    JabCross727 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Man, noob, at least get the name of the forum. J/k, you're forgiven.
     
  5. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly. Cotto retreated from the opening bell.

    Williams didn't. And Williams is going to beat Margo again. Williams won't fight like a dumbass like Cotto. One of the worst gameplans I have see in the past 10 years.
     
  6. TheGreat

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    :rofl CQ and Margo are nothing alike. CQ is a southpaw who beat Williams with speed and movement, something Margo cannot do.
     
  7. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto game plan wasn't bad , he just didn't know how to peace himself .

    You can't throw hard combo and move around like that with out emptying the gas tank.. Cotto wasted allot of energy trying to get margarito off him when he should have devoted most of that energy on D and moved his had just to score and throw hard shot only when he had too.
     
  8. charlievint

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    Wha? Nah bro...Paul is lanky, he'll always look sloppy but if you noticed he was rarely ever off balance which will support that he was not slopply with his foot work. He used his footwork to keep Marg off balance and un-set. THe jab of Paul allowed paul to off-set Margs offense on numerous occasisions and the amount of offense that Paul subjected Tony to was hard for Marg to adjust.....eventually he did but it took him 7 rounds.

    Paul has raw talent but the kid is a great boxer.....he is supremely underrated in skills. I think alot of this misconception has to do with his size and physical attributes. Physical attributes will only take a fighter so far in a massivley deep and talented rich division without true skill or an "X" factor like unreal power, speed or heart. Paul has been blessed with almost everything to give him advantages over his oppoents at 147.
     
  9. NeckBreaknAiken

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    OK. His footwork wasn't terrible. But it wasn't perfect by any stretch. He can definitely improve it for the next fight. And he won't be giving up the reach quite as easily this time. Not to mention he employed a strength coach after the first Quintana loss.

    Paul is still basically young in experience and training. Margo had better sign him now before he gets more and more experience. The longer Paul goes getting better and better training, and as Margo takes more and more punishment, Paul gains more and more of an advantage...
     
  10. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    NOW! We agree here! Paul is still young enough and green enough that he can definilty improve. Which is why I'm saying Paul is going to be around. He's young, talented and has very soild boxing skills as it stands now. And you are 100% right! the longer Marg waits on Paul the more of an advantage Paul will bring with him into the rematch. Paul is only getting better and stronger.
     
  11. NeckBreaknAiken

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    So you do agree that the first win was no fluke????

    And that "starting early" isn't as simple for Margo as it sounds???
     
  12. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    NO. Except some rds like the 11th which he totally dominated. Williams was extremely smart; hit and hold technique.
     
  13. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i think PW gets stopped in their rematch
     
  14. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    No Margarito didn't pressure Williams like he did Cotto, Williams didn't let him. Then when Margarito got inside Williams knew how to in fight with him and wrap him up after he just landed a flurry.
     
  15. LennoxGOAT

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    His gameplan was awful. Instead of circling in the middle of the ring using his speed and quickness, he circled the entire ring against a pressure fighter. No fighter could have held that pace for 12 rounds. He played right into his hands a like an idiot.