Did Margarito ruin Cotto's career through cheating?

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  1. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Seriously, I'm not defending the guy. It's abhorrent to use anything outside of the scope of the rules. And may be the buck stops with the fighter so he should be held accountable.

    But do you honestly think that Marg picks what goes around his fists? If his corner tell him its fine then he's going to take their word for it isnt he?

    Maybe some of the pro's that post may be able to give a better in sight but I would presume that if a corner starts taping up someone's fists or using whatever substances then the fighter will simply assume his corner knows what they are doing rather than say 'hang on a minute, what's this stuff?'
     
  2. mughalmirza786

    mughalmirza786 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It did occur to me at the time why did cotto's face look like it had been worked over with a bat at the end of the fight. The cuts and bruising were amazing coming from a guy like margarito who isnt a puncher. Also it might explain the sudden shift in the momentum of the fight, precisely when cotto began to get cut up.

    One things for sure, if margarito did use illegal hand wraps in the cotto fight, cotto has one hell of a chin to stand up to that punishment for as long as he did.
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I personally think its slightly illogical to assume this is the first time Margarito has ever done that in the gym or a fight. I mean why would his team suddenly put that **** in his wraps AFTER he beat Cotto and got to this stage. I mean if he got so far the legal way WHY change and risk everything?

    Margarito has done this before IMO. And he would have known when he took off his Reyes gloves and rubble tumbled to the floor.
     
  4. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    Sounds like some people would rather just burn him at the stake and get it all over and done with.
     
  5. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with this though.

    If they were indeed illegal wraps then I would presume it's not the first time the wraps have been used.

    Massively intrigued though as to what the pro's around here think. Would this be Marg's fault or his corner's fault? Or shared responsibility?
     
  6. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Flint, tell her that her wallpaper is **** :good
     
  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Getting beat by a man that has attempted to load his gloves, has shown that intent that means he probably has in the past means ****. That cloud will hang over Margarito now, and its his own fault.

    It is not something one man should have to overcome, its not a matter of analyzing where and how the fight was lost. It just should not be an issue.

    Infact, it is plain disgusting. Plaster in an 8-10oz glove is absolutely dangerous.

    I would have a good mind to reverse everybodys record that lost to Margarito now this has been found to be the case by the commission.
     
  8. Guy

    Guy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That would be opening a can of worms though, no proof from previous bouts and how about an Augumented Shane Mosley dosed up on Roids beating Dela Hoya does that one get scratched off? and how long after taking them do the effects stay on the body, how many more get scratched off?
    I think you can only judge on conclusive eveidance before erasing loses.....
     
  9. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    Just remembered, Arum petitioned the Nevada Commission to allow them to use 8oz gloves for the Cotto fight.
     
  10. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Loading gloves to me is different to even roiding. It's like comparing stealing a car to murder.

    We all know a boxer takes on a certain risk when he enters the ring, but having to face up to loaded gloves is something else. That can do serious serious damage, it is pitiful for a pro boxer to do this. Bringing illegal material into the ring to hit your opponent with? It's assault, nevermind a sporting advantage like roids.

    The punishment for this has to be HEAVY to send a clear message out. I would at the least ban him from boxing outright and heavily fine him. I would consider whether to reverse losses to him as DQ's or perhaps a NC, but ultimately his record is so scarred perhaps I would not bother.
     
  11. Guy

    Guy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both are ways of gaining an unfair advantage, 'If' Margarito is proven to have used plaster bandage then I think he should be banned from boxing for life yes.
    Now Shane has admitted to Steroid use does he get banned like an athlete for a year?
    Thats seems only fair.....as I say if we start writing of losses without proof where is the line drawn.
     
  12. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Anybody found roiding should be banned for a year at least. That case is well documented, but this is about Margarito.

    And as I said, I consider loading gloves as a far greater crime and as such it should carry heavier penalties. There ain't much between loading your gloves and bringing a sledgehammer into the ring.
     
  13. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    Sorry to be a pedant but no he hasn't. He admitted to injecting EPO prior to the second Oscar fight.
     
  14. Guy

    Guy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh isn't EPO a steroid then?
     
  15. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    Nope, it's a naturally occuring substance produced by the kidney.