did margo used plaster of paris againts cotto??

People cheat and get away with it all the time. Nothing new. For me this is like doping. If you did it once everything you did before that is in question.

 

So what? That doesn't mean anything. There are ways to get around that.

 

I've decided on 2 believeable explanations now. It sucks that I can't decide for certain but these are my ideas.

1.He loaded in Cali but not in Nevada. In Nevada, his insane work rate, stamina, and inability to be hurt by Cotto as well as his body work made Cotto wilt in the fight. Given how iffy the Cali commission has been, that wouldn't surprise me.

Or

2.He used old pads in Cali. The similar look in the photos between Nevada's provided knuckle pads that's been shown a lot and his pads that were confiscated in Cali weren't necessarily hardened with any plaster of paris, but the sweat and blood from Nevada when dried into the old pads resulted in them being stiffer than they should have been. Not exactly noticeable, but stiffer pads can possibly make enough of a difference. Not outright assault style cheating the way true loading would be, but still at the very least dishonest and unethical.

I've read that he's always hit pretty hard in sparring and the like, heard about the reports of him supposedly having a hard time making weight, things like that. I hate not being sure now.

 

Explain the ways around it.

 

This. :good

 

oh so your spamming opinion is so much valuable and important?
what a dick.....

 

Why would they use plaster for Mosley who he was suppose to beat...but not for Cotto.

I think the plaster game began with the Cotto fight and they tried to do it again with mosely but were caught.

What ****s me off most is margacheatos total refusal to apologise nor admit any responsibilty

 

Okay:huh so you tell us then....the shane mosely fight of all his fights?? WHY??? He had cheated before!!!! Wake the **** up!! Margarito is a cheater

 

No I don't believe he did, and there's no proof, Additionaly if I'm not mistaken wasn't it found to be just old wraps that had hardened and not an actual added plaster substance? While you could say they would have the same effect I don't believe its the same thing. Especially being from mexico where I'd bet a good % of young boxers must reuse wraps because of the cost.

I don't know, I'm speculating. People are too eager to condemn him without evidence.

To the posters saying it didn't make sense why Cotto got broken down and Margo didn't watch both of their past fights. Cotto's been rocked by a number of fighters, like Torres and Judah. There had always been a few questions about Cotto's chin.

Whereas Margo (other than the Mosley fight of course) I don't think I've ever even seen him stunned. So no, it still makes sense without plaster and I'm still not convinced it was even intentional for the Mosley fight.

 

Tony must have had plaster on his chin because Cotto couldn't hurt him.

 

That's a load of nonsense. Cotto was somehow invincible back then, everyone was on the bandwagon with endless topics about how his ability to take a punch improved at welterweight. Mosley was looked at as a tune up, straight out. Even when Mosley spoke a few days before the fight people laughed out loud at his comments.

 

Do you have any proof he beat her?, did you watch it?

Junkyard cars is where you belong, fatso. From dish washing in Delicias to an attitude in America, huh?

 

Nice crybaby stuff, and you say that after "Oh man!!, I used to think of you as a quality poster! :|". You think I give a **** what you or other nicknames on the internet think about me?

Oh and that virgin will be posting all day here like all of a sudden it became his job, he isn't quoted because he's ignored. So if someone feels like donating to give him something to do, just quote his posts and then maybe I'll read them by mistake. Feel free to help him out, he might be a "quality" poster to you, pigs gather together you know.

 

There's no evidence of it, therefore I have to conclude no.

 

I've been in two minds over this since the Mosley debacle, but people do have to set the facts out before they just jump to one overwhelming conclusion.
So lets begin;

Naazim is known for messing with opponents heads in the dressing room prior to a fight.
He asked to see one of the knuckle pads. Only at this point were the pads found to be harder than usual. The pads were taken away and AM's hands re-wrapped.
It had however been suggested that they could have been stiffer due to sweat from previous usage.

Once the whole farce was finished and AM and Capetillo's licences were revoked, those who had studied the wraps (they had been touched and inspected on fight night and since by and unknown number of people of the commision) stated there was a "plaster like substance" on them.
Now for me, that's not enough. For if it was plaster on the pads, why did the investigators not just come out and say, "there was plaster on the pads".
There were "elements" of plaster substance on the pads, but these were elements also found in many other inconspicuos products, such as hand creams.
After many hours, days of inspection, the commision found these elements, nothing more, which leaves me very unsure as to the exact nature of the substance on these older pads and why it was there.

Capetillo, who himself is/was a respected trainer, also of now noted Giovanni Segura, admitted to making an error in the wrapping process. His personal account has varied and never seemed certain, his main story being that he simply pulled the wrong pads out of his trainer's bag.

Margarito stated and has continued to do so since, that he had no knowledge of any wrong doing in any of his previous bouts and has refused to apologise for the actions in the changing room prior to the Mosley fight.
He has maintained his innocence, which seems to be held up by the fact that he was more than compliant with the demands of Naazim.

Since then the California commision has "lost" the illegal pads, and has not suggested any evidence to support the views, that have since picked up through a media frenzy, that the pads were supposedly engulfed in plaster of paris.

Now, thanks to this media "witchunt" you could say, a lot of uneducated, ignorant and/or casual boxing fans believe Margarito himself committed the ultimate sin in boxing, and must pay a price for it.

Some of you say Margarito's pads were of illegal nature for his bout with Cotto.
Margarito's fight with Cotto took place under the Nevada commision's rulings. As Philla has already said, they provide supplements with which the fighters hand's must be wrapped and several of that commision's members have publicly stated they do not think anything was wrong with AM's handwrappings on the night.

Some say Margarito started after the Williams defeat. This would seem to make sense except for the aforementioned situation in the Cotto fight, and the fact that it actually took him longer to beat Cintron than it had for him before the Williams fight, where he had stopped Cintron in just 5 rounds.

Some say he has always used it, but Capetillo wasn't his trainer for many of his earlier bouts, including his stoppage of Sergio Martinez, which someone already mentoned in this thread. As the trainer makes the wraps, i struggle to believe that Margarito's wraps were illegal for that fight, or any of his fights pre Capetillo.

Some say the "plaster like substance would get harder with time". This theory does not conjoin with several early blow outs in AM's career, and neither does it line up with the fact that a long banned, rusty Margarito was able to knock down solid light middleweight Roberto Garcia in the first round of their recent bout.

Throw this in with the fact that Margarito, after almost every fight, removes his gloves and hugs/shakes hands with his opponent, the referee, opposing team members and trainers, promoters and other people in and out of the ring, does not add up to consistent cheating throughout his career.
If the pads got harder as time wore on, come the end of the fight, and the removal of the gloves, Margarito's handrwaps would be noticeably more dense and solid.
Over the 40 odd fights he had had before the Mosley bout, someone somewhere would have noticed at least a small irregularity, be it upon inspection before, or after the bout when his gloves were taken off. However, no-one, ever, before the Mosley fight, even suspected Margarito of cheating or had an issue with any of his handwrappings.

I'm not making an excuse for what happened in the Mosley fight. Those handwraps were not right, and the year long ban for me was acceptable. It ensures others won't try and do the same, and ensured good publicity for boxing as a sport that will not tolerate cheating be it intentional or not.

However, i do not agree with this concept that not only were Margarito's wraps illegal for the Mosley fight, but they were for 5, 10, or 15 fights before that, or even his entire career.

I do not agree with those who say "Margarito cheated". Because as far as i know, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest he personally was aware of what happened in the Mosley fight, and several trainers have publicly stated that a trainer could conceal illegal pads from their fighters. The "stiffer than normal" pads were covered in new gauze, which means it is more than possible Margarito may not have known of the pads illegality before the Mosley fight.

Sorry for the essay, but i feel there's far too much jumping on the bandwagon, hooting and hollering without substantial knowledge to back it up. I'm still suspicious about Margarito's situation, but i am so whilst understanding the facts in front of me, and not just watching HBO where Kellerman and co. seem to have stumbled upon something that others haven't and label Margarito as a criminal without evidence to support the view.