Did Marquez Ruined Paquiao?

JMM probably did ruin Pac.

That KO punch was brutal.
For a moment, JMM thought he mightve killed Pac in that fight and was worried that Pac would never regain conciousness.

 

he didn't ruin him but it is easier to beat Manny now. Everytime a great fighter is beaten, it is easier to beat him after that. Hearns was easier to beat after Hagler beat him, and then after Barkley it was even easier. Something about being knocked out makes the body easier to hurt again. Maybe it is mental or maybe physical, but how can they take huge punches like they did before after they were knocked out before once or twice.

 

In a way yes . Pacquiao did a great last night but lets not pretend he was not wobbled by bradley in the middle rounds. That is a sign of a softened chin

 

He was on that back foot doe, early in the fight.

Yeah, that KO turned Pacquiao into a more cautious fighter; same as the Rios fight.

He was going balls to the wall on some of those shots though. Didn't land but he was trying.

 

no but you 'ruineding' the english language.

 

He's mentally a different fighter.....but that's not necessarily a bad thing. He's obviously still an elite level p4p fighter. .....but I think the patience and composure in certain situations gives Manny more benefits than the sometimes reckless Manny that runs into beautiful right hands. There are many risks for a fighter like Pac. Because he's so active he is always vulnerable to a counter puncher. His offense becomes his defense in a way because he's controlling the action.....but the opportunities are there. So this Pac may not be as ferocious. .....but he will be less likely to run into something he might have reacting without thought.

 

if he knows then it ain't subconscious.

 

He has declined a bit but he definitely still has it. What I thought was that he is more cautious now, he had opportunities to press the attack more but would lay off to avoid a counter shot. He even did say "getting wreckless is very dangerous". Just shows he is being more cautious. I honestly think he could of kod Bradley but he did not capitalize on opportunities he had. Being wreckless is what made pacquiao special, sure he would get wreckless but his power made it dangerous. He still a top p4p but just a shade of his former self.

Marquez did have something to do with the more cautious pac.

 

Pac is different from any other fighters who gets koed and never look the same (ex. RJJ)..reason for this is that its not new to him since he's been koed before. So is he ruined? He just beat a damn good fighter who previously made Hall of Famer Marquez look like a bum in the ring.

 

Look at the first fights prior to the Marquez loss. Mosley, Marquez 3, Bradley 1. He didn't look good in any of those fights.

He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before getting stopped by Marquez, or fighting with the most aggressiveness

 

He's was trying to get Floyd to fight him.

 

listen, pac fought a very good fight. I was rooting for bradley and told all my boys he was going to win but he didn't. Bradley isn't that good, i still respect him but pav beat him and looked good doing it. Do I think Pac can beat Mayweather hell no, not even close, but yuo all got to stop with this marquez ruined him and ****. Pac was a destructive force back when he was walking through guys and during this time, I was very suspect of his ability to do so with ease. Ever since he got called out, he hasn't been the same destructive force and we can see the difference.

After marquez knocked him out, he seems to be more wary and less wreckless but more patient and cautious. He looks to be thinking more in there and what is wrong with that? You guys always complain about dumb ****. Last night, he looked good. I never thought he was as fast as mayweather, or nearly as skilled. So the comparisons have to stop cause there aren't any between the two of them.

He had his chance to fight for 40 mil and turned it down. Bob was building a stadium how close is it to being completed? Pac wanted to fight for free, let's move pass this fight now guys. He turned down 40 mill what is he supposed to accept now after losing a lot of his steam. Mayweather does not want to deal with arum, so why can people respect that. If pac wants that fight or at least has a chance of getting it, take a page out of cotto's book, and mayweather himself, leave arum and let's see what happens.

 

he is 35 years old and been into many wars through out his career... considering his fighting style you expect him to decline at this stage.

 

I didn't want to believe this until I saw his fight against Bradley.

But now I'd say yes, I can see it quite clearly.
He is no "runner", but he is a bit gun shy now, afraid of getting countered.
Whereas the old Pac's philosophy was "eat some to dish out some more".

 

pacquiao got ruined by margo. pac was never the same after that...