Did Martin vs Ortiz ruin Wilders resume?

Yeah, but he looked bad in his last fight and he is getting older. Looks like he is already passed prime.

 

You couldn't even subtract 2 from 5. That's the limits of your mental gymnastics so it's no surprise that you can't comprehend that any competitive version of Martin is a better version than a bought version.

You are good at juggling about 7 accounts on this forum, though. I'll give you that.

As above.

 

I'll wait to see. I don't think he was very high on fighting Wilder for a 3rd time. Probably just went through the motions in training. If he gets the Usyk or AJ fight he may be more motivate. But, you may be right. Bad habits can cut a fighters years down significantly.

 

Was hardly life and death. First KD was a well timed straight and a flash KD, second I wouldn't have even counted as a KD. Other than that Ortiz dominated.

 

Wladimir Klitschko got dropped by Levin Castillo, if Klitschko was fighting now maybe someone like this could drop him. Ortiz is 42 and he still got up and stopped Martin with less than half the fight done.

First KD was a legit well timed shot, second I personally didn't even think a shot landed from the angle I saw.

 

I think Ortiz vs Martin ruined AJ's resume.

 

How?

 

@exocet76 Because AJ became champion beating Martin. And Ortiz vs Martin showed once again that Martin is a dreadful boxer.

 

Yes but Martin is like Joshua's 7 or 8 best win and Joshua would get other belts.

So it doesn't matter no one has ever said Charles was any good did they?

By the same reasoning Wilders WBC belt meant nothing as Stiverne was crap as well.

Is that what your saying then?

Or do these subjective and arbitrary rules just apply to Joshua?

I've seen some clowns on here saying King Kong was shot but Charles was a lot better than when he fought Joshua..

Really?

The mental acrobatics that people are going through to dismiss one fighter in order to elevate theres is hilarious.

It's also a sign of delusion and mental illness.

 

Joshua's seventh-best win?

Who were Joshua's first thru sixth best "wins" over?

The guy who got dropped by David Price?
The guy who got KOed by Ross Puritty, Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster?

Christ.

Luis Ortiz destroyed Charles Martin ... so "out of it" he had Martin carrying on conversations in the ring with invisible people who weren't there ...

If Joshua can manage to score the best win of his career next time out over a middle-aged Cruiserweight who already beat him once ...

Maybe he'll get to defend against his mandatory Luis Ortiz this year ... and prove if he (Joshua) is even better than Luis.

Think Luis Ortiz couldn't have beaten Charles Martin in 2016 to win his IBF belt like Joshua did?


Congratulations again, Luis. Another title shot awaits.

 

It doesn't change anything about Wilders resume, Ortiz was a good not great win for him. We can only speculate how good Ortiz was 5 years ago, because he never fought enough quality opponents. He clearly got old overnight though, and still had enough to beat a top 30ish fighter. It happens to guys in their 40s. Look at the difference between Povetkin in the 2 whyte fights.

 

Gotta disagree with you on the 2nd KD. Martin landed a stiff power jab when Ortiz was stepping in. Can't land a shot more flush than that. Also ask yourself, would Ortiz have Fallen if not for the landed shot.

 

Ortiz didn’t have a chin issue last night he had leg issues, he wasn’t hurt he just didn’t have any legs.

 

Really well stated. There are so many variables that change over time that really make it hard to judge fighters from fight to fight.