Did Marvin Hagler or the Petronellis ever address his game plan vs Ray Leonard?

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I’ve seen guys rally in the late rounds when it looked like they were out of gas and getting the worst of it. I don’t think it’s unlikely that Leonard could pull it off. Energy often ebbs and flows in a fight.
     
  2. Kid Bacon

    Kid Bacon All-Time-Fat Full Member

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    Maybe to get even with Leonard and prove his defeat was a fluke?

    What you mention about a satisfied Marvin just letting things go sounds good, but doesnt match with the sour grapes real life Marvin who would spend the next 30 years brooding for losing that fight.
     
  3. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I could care less about Ray Leonard - great boxer but a horrible person and everyone already knows that. Its nothing new.
    I'm actually a Hearns fan not a Hagler or Leonard fan and yes Leonard was an attention ***** who always had to have the lime light no matter what.
    My friend was warned not to sign with him and was even given examples of Ray's magical ability to screw up boxers careers. But he was so smitten that Ray took an interest in him he signed anyways - and believe me people tried to tell him not to.
    Ray was a great boxer and just because he decided to be a POS outside of the ring doesn't mean somebody has it "out for him".
    Hagler won at least 10 rounds out of a 15 round fight it was a bad decision that is why Hagler received another title shot. All this Vito was the aggressor leaves out the fact Hagler was still out landing Vito. Look at the total number of punches Vito landed.
     
  4. Kid Bacon

    Kid Bacon All-Time-Fat Full Member

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    This.

    As much as I disliked Leonard, his victory versus Hagler was no fluke. Leonard did the proper planning and preparation and that paid off. Thus is not irrational to assume Leonard would be able to adjust his gameplan for a 15 rounder.

    People sometimes forget that it is not always the tougher or stronger guy the one who wins. Sometimes the smarter guy comes on top, and Sugar was dang smart.
     
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  5. Smoochie

    Smoochie Indiana Jones and the Harry Greb Footage Full Member

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    Love Marvin but he lost, plain and simple.
     
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  6. JohnThomas1

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    Even if one wants to ignore the training, the pacing of the bout would be totally different. Leonard's a master strategist. Everyone talks about how Tommy would have won if the bout was 12 but the fact is Ray would have made his move earlier. Would he have succeeded with Tommy fresher? The fact is it's a different bout.
     
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  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    Herol skipped rope for 34 hours straight? Ima need a source lol.
     
  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah I remember that , how long it took for Hagler to answer the challenge, the old Hagler would have been in front of a microphone the next day calling for Ray's head.
     
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    McCallumsJab New Member Full Member

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  10. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a tactical move he should have learned was failing early on. I too was surprised and baffled how long he fought in that gear.

    That said, I've watched that fight a dozen times and always had Hagler winning by two points.
     
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  11. McCallumsJab

    McCallumsJab New Member Full Member

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    Ray needed the 'you're blowing it kid' heart to heart ofcourse
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    So Angelo keeps saying hahaha
     
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  13. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    I don't think that either Hagler or Leonard would have wanted a 15 round fight. It may have been said but, realistically, neither of them was at their peak, nobody wanted those extra 3 rounds.
    There were 2 things that affected how Hagler fought, again in my opinion. The first is that Hagler was a right hand dominant fighter, even from a southpaw stance. The second is that his legs were pretty much gone. Look at the difference in his movement from the Hamsho fights to the Mugabi fight.
    I think that there is something that affects how people see Hagler. For all his 'seek and destroy' and 'war' comments and so on, that was never his game. He was a boxer that used his legs to keep himself in positions to land his right hand and he was a good body puncher and a solid puncher but he was a boxer at the end of it all. The Hearns fight was well out of character for him but it kind of came to define him, to set an expectation when that wasn't really his way of doing things. Again, that may very well go back to him knowing his legs weren't what they once were.
     
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  14. McCallumsJab

    McCallumsJab New Member Full Member

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    F Me Man, I went to an evening with Ray Leonard and the promise we'd get to ask him a question and it never happened. I'd so love to ask him about that and a ton of other stuff. Ray was 20+ year AA Tee Totaler btw and much credit to him for that. Both he and Mike Tyson used to say they were killing themselves with the drinking, I wonder if that's part of the mantra.........................sips whisky