Did Mayweather conciously avoid high stamina fighters?

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  1. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Margarito had height, reach, weight, and he was a tireless volume puncher who could take massive ammounts of punishment.
    What makes Margarito a nightmare for Mayweather is that Mayweather was a lazy fighter who liked to control the pace and he was not about to do that vs Margarito who has proven would throw shots anywhere on a fighter, arms, shoulders. The opening didn't have to be there, Margarito would throw in multiples just to create the opening.
    A nightmare scenario for a lazy low volume type like Mayweather.

    Williams with his freakish height and reach would have been a problem for Mayweather to employ his defensive shoulder roll.

    Sergio Martinez was a bigger middleweight who was willing to come down to 154 lbs. When he was fighting great fights with Williams he was fast and an elusive lefty. Again, Mayweather wanted everything safe.

    At the very least, Mayweather wanted to have a speed and reach advantage before he'd even consider fighting you.
    These are just facts folks. His last several years he spent fighting the likes of Berto and Guerrero, knowing that fight fans prefer he take on a challenge like Amir Khan who was quicker, faster, and and who physically was his size and reach.
    Even while fight fans voted he fight Amir Khan, he fought Guerrero instead.

    Nothing but the facts here gentleman.
     
  2. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    People weren't calling for Floyd to fight Khan in 2013.

    Floyd was planning to fight Alexander, who is considered fast, and a southpaw, but people absolutely shat all over that fight, so he fought Guerrero instead.

    You criticize Floyd for not fighting Margarito, then you criticize him for fighting people who are slower than him. Well, Floyd was a cheetah compared to Margarito. Margarito was a slow, flat-footed plodder with poor defense.
     
  3. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    he might take that as a compliment lol
     
  4. MoJoGoodie

    MoJoGoodie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    lazy low volume? really?
     
  5. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well yes at the higher levels of competition Floyd was a low volume lazy fighter.

    Even in his youth against Corrales he took advantage of vastly overrated (how the **** you telling me Corrales was p4p rated, damn) fighters by jogging around the ring, quick combos with accuracy and slowly breaking his opponent down.

    By the time he got to Welterweight he essentially won fights with a lead right hand, flashy defense and an occasional check hook.

    Margarito in 2007 walks right through Floyds lead rights. I mean just walks completely, totally right through it. Then he would throw about 1,000 punches on that left shoulder of Floyd's all night long until Floyd's arm was about to fall off.
     
  6. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd lowers his opponents' output. As we've already established, Margarito is hittable.
     
  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Most fighters will be slower than Mayweather, Mayweather avoided the fighter that was faster than he.
    Slow fighters simply have a hard time getting off on a fighter like Mayweather who has tremendous quickness and reflexes. Most of those fighters while I the ring chose simply not to get off because they're simply going to get hit with a clean shot.
    Margarito presented a dilemma that Mayweather wasn't used to confronting.
    1. He didn't give a damn to get hit. In fact, he invited it.
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    2. He kept coming at you with volume, despite the fact he was eating leather.
    A fighter willing to sacrifice himself early as an investment for later rounds to come and he's still coming!

    When did Mayweather ever face anything like that? He didn't!
    Cotto never had and he took a knee and called it quits, despite Margarito eating up a lot of Cotto's leather to take Cotto to those late rounds.
     
  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I stand corrected, Floyd was an energetic high volume puncher with endless stamina! :nut
     
  9. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Against fighters that don't like to get hit. Most don't, but Margarito invites it. He proved time and time again he didn't mind taking clean hits and its because he was slower than even the average fighter, he pretty much had to accustom himself to get hit to get his off.
    That type of a style and mindset would have played to his benefit against a low volume fighter, no matter how skilled he may have been.
     
  10. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    NY THE DON...another typical no nothing fanboy hating on Floyd without having a clue as to the actual story that is still right there in print for him to read

    Floyd never avoided margarita...arum even said in print Floyd agreed.....Floyd wanted future guarantees after that for cotto and hatton....arum and Floyd were a measley 4 mil apart......but bob wouldn't budge so Floyd bought out his contract....arum said after the buyout he was ok with everything and that he thought he and Floyd might work together again in the future

    then Floyd started working with Oscars company instead...and bob went nuts and start slandering Floyd about him being afraid of tony....look it up....on fat dans archives...its all right there for you to read
     
  11. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's still not a good idea to keep getting hit. Margarito would get beaten to the punch all night.
     
  12. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mayweather nutswingers are really bothered by the thought of the scenario you described could happen.

    Personally, I still would have favored Mayweather to have found a way to win, but I cant help but think that Mayweather against a Margarito type would have made him so uncomfortable and pressed him to the limit.

    One just cant assume that because fighter A is so much more skilled, that he beats a fighter with certain characteristics that can trouble a specific style.
    I for one thought Mayweather would embarrass the much slower Marcos Maidana, but it turned out that Maidana having a similar height and reach troubled Mayweather as Maidana despite being much slower throws an unorthodox type of a looping right hand that goes over Mayweathers shoulder roll and finds a target.
    Had they never fought, I would have just assumed Mayweather would just easily outclassed him.

    Styles make fights and Mayweather certainly knows that.
     
  13. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In that fight, Clottey made Margarito miss badly at times.
     
  14. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Eh...Margarito wasn't gonna do anything to Mayweather with the jab (or lack thereof) that he had at his disposal. Castillo and Maidana both used the jab and feints to good effect to close distance- and those simply weren't elements of Margo's game.

    Paul Williams was probably a better example of a high volume WW with the tools needed to cause Mayweather problems.
     
  15. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Clottey is the perfect example of Margarito beating a more skilled fighter through means of throwing volumes of punches no matter that it was hitting Clottey on his highguard.
    ......and despite the fact that Clottey was finding Margarito with the jab, Margarito just kept on coming and investing.

    Clottey, the low volume defensive type wilted and was inactive down the last half of the fight where Margarito piled up enough points to win.