Did Mayweather make more in his last fight than Ward will in his whole career?

how can you discredit floyd for moving up and fighting champions and at the same time praise Ward for refusing to move up at all?

 

your answers lack substance: any crackhead can mouth off "you don't know **** about baksin" and try to look significant. Disprove what I said, with names, rankings, respective primes of the opponents, given into account age and how long the fighter has been in the game. You know, a legitimate discussion, instead of emotional one liners and cut/paste Klitschko admiration threads.

Here, I will show you how:

Ward defeated the following, who on top of being world champions had the added accomplishments listed after their names:
Dawson, who came from a higher weight class, widely regarded as one of the best fighters pound for pound, young, in his prime, technical, very experienced.
Kessler, who was the favorite going into super six, a solid puncher with quality chin and skill, at his prime, both age and weight-class wise.
Froch, a hard hitting, iron chinned warrior whom regained the title shortly after it's loss and devastated the unbeaten hope of 168, routinely ranked in top 3 SM Bute.
He also beat Abraham, who was the man at 160 and a tough puncher at 168, and a slew of solid fighters, such as Alan Green and Edison Miranda.

All this by the time he is 29, Ward is now ranked #2 pound for pound and he is widely regarded as the undisputed king of his weight class, something Mayweather can't claim when was 29. His greatest accomplishments was past-prime Chavez, a 1-1 with Castillo and a win over Corales, and that is not nearly enough to say that "Ward\s resume is nowhere near Floyds"

 

Age 29. So that would be everything Mayweather did thru April 8, 2006.

35-0, lineal champ in 2 divisions, titlist in 4 divisions
wins over Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo X2, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah

compared to

26-0, lineal champ and unified titlist in 1 division
wins over Edison Miranda, Mikkel Kessler, Allan Green, Sakio Bika, Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch, Chad Dawson

You would honestly take Wards' resume over Floyds'? I really doubt that, man...

"guys were young, in their prime, at their proper weight classes" you say? I don't want to 'tear apart a resume' as anyone can and I am a Ward fan. But well, lets see about that exact claim:

Miranda- was 28 yrs old
Kessler- was 30 yrs old
Green- was 30 yrs old
Bika- was 30 yrs old
Abraham- was 31 yrs old; lost 2 of 3 heading in; prime at 160, never showed that class at 168
Froch- was 34 yrs old
Dawson- was 30 yrs old; hadn't fought at 168 in 5+ years, safe to say not prime

OK now could you please tell me which of these were either: a) young or b) in their prime? I'll give you Bika as being prime.

Come on now, Mayweather @ 29 >>> Ward @ 29

 

Well perhaps you should familiarize yourself with Mayweather and the boxing landscape before you make false claims.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Pound_For_Pound--1990s

Mayweather wasn't P4P #2 by the time he was 29. He was when he was 23. And he was lineal champion, king of 130, by age 21.

You are sounding awfully agenda driven, Peril...

 

I am not discrediting him. I am merely stating that Mayweather had an opportunity to do what he did, being a much smaller man and fighting below his optimal weight for many years, just like most weight cutters do. Consider that part of the privilege of being born into a boxing family and boxing since young age: Mayweather was bigger than his opponents all the way to 147. He didn't move up in weight because he wanted a challenge: he moved up in weight because he grew up. Ward is a naturally bigger man that can't do the same, not because he is afraid, but rather because he is already smaller than his opposition (6'0 vs 6'1, 6'1, 6'2 and 6'3 in his last 4 fights) and moving up to 175 will have him fight guys significantly larger than him. Floyd only started doing that at 154, and he carefully avoided large guys like Margarito, Williams, Martinez (who was begging for an opportunity) while fighting much smaller guys (Hatton, Marquez) or a big boy who looks at the ref while being punched in the face (The Tree)

 

Nobody wants to see Ward fight. He's horrible to watch. Simply atrocious viewing.
The most boring fighter in the world of the last 50 years

 

pure utter ownage!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

at 22 floyd was p4p#2 wow

 

you're absolutely right, but you have to take all of what I've said, not just parts of it. My main claim is that Ward is doing what he does against same sized/bigger opposition in their primes: Mayweather, as all cutters, is a fairly large 147 pounder, and at 130 he had a huge advantage, which Ward does not have.

And I am agenda driven: I want respect given to people who fight prime opposition, participate in tournaments to establish the best, all while avoiding shady cherry-picking tactics. Mayweather is a ridiculously gifted athlete, perhaps one of the best that ever lived, but his choices of opposition leave a lot to be desired. I hate to think that 10 years from now someone will proudly say that Mayweather "destroyed" Marquez, forgetting to add that Marquez fought 2 weight classes above his prime weight, that he destroyed Hatton (who's sole excursion to 147 ended in disaster when he was almost knocked out by Collazo) and that that he is undefeated, when Castillo clearly won the first fight.

 

Hahahaha

That is all I have, for multiple things you have said.

Read my first post above the one you quoted. It directly responds to what you say and asks for a response. I'll wait.

 

We have to take into account the aging differences in higher weight classes. a 30 year old at 168 is prime, a 30 year old at 135 is pushing it (35 being prime age at heavyweight)

Frankly, I believe that Froch is your best case as he is 34 BUT he seems to be one of those guys who haven't opened up completely yet, physically. I believe he got better in the last year and that he is still improving and growing. The rest fit nicely with the definition of young and prime: given the assumption that heavier boxers mature later than lighter boxers, and assuming the prime age of 30, all the other guys fit into the description of young. Considering that Abraham is a very large (stocky) 160 pounder that admittedly had to almost kill himself to make weight while Dawson had both the time and the body frame to make 168, all my statements will hold. Yes, you could say that Dawson was fighting at higher weight, but there is still more challenge in beating in a bigger guy coming down to his earlier weight at the age of 30 than a smaller guy jumping two weight classes at the age of 37.


I respect your arguments but would like to point out that each and every opponent you listed as noteworthy for Mayweather could just as easily be nitpicked:

Judah, a very fast southpaw, had issues with mental stability and with proper concentration, he could have beat Floyd. He started breaking down in later rounds, mentally and emotionally more so than physically, and while I give Floyd all the credit in the world for beating such a fast opponent, I can't help but feel that a guy who can't stay focused for two rounds against Kostya Tszyu shouldn't be considered a highlight achievement.

Arturo Gatti...I still remember that fight. Floyd fighting dirty, Gatti turning to look at ref as if to say "hey, do something", and Floyd jumping in, unloading those sucker shots right at the jaw of Arturo...yea, that was quite an achievement. I love Gatti but he was a limited fighter that went 3 life n death fights with a club fighter.

Mitchell: I am surprised you listed him. The guy failed every time he stepped up his opposition, and was destroyed by Tszyu, twice. He looked great against mediocre opposition but was he really world class?

I already gave you Coralles earlier in my posts, but why is Castillo here? I watched the fight and I don't care about that L in his record in the first fight any more than I care about Chris John's W against Marquez. I give props to May for removing all doubt in their second fight, but their first fight he lost.

 

Alright, I got to go to sleep, but before I leave, one more thing:

Floyd, just like Dela Hoya, was a big man at smaller weights. Ward is an average sized man at his.

 

:huh:rofl

 

Ward is still making millions? You dumb ****.. Wanna know the difference between him and Floyd. Ward doesn't come off an insecure dumb **** like Void!

 

My guess is probably.