Did mike ever fight someone who could jab or move as good as douglas?

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I haven't opened this in a while, are the Tyson fanatics pretending Mike was a zombie again and Prime Mike wins this in a blowout?
     
  2. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not so much because Douglas wasnt a good fighter but I think Tyson at his best puts too much pressure on Douglas and he folds.

    If Douglas was not miles ahead and he was presented with a lot of pressure he just quit or survived to lose.

    Douglas wouldnt have his way like he did in Tokyo against Tyson at his best and that would be the difference.
     
  3. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree, Tyson looked great in that sense. The Douglas fight cemented his greatness IMO. The Douglas fight answered all the remaining questions about Tyson. The only thing is, he didnt get the win.

    The problem is most morons seem to think that Tyson quit against Douglas.

    Sometimes i do think the Douglas and Ruddock fights were Tysons best.

    Tyson at his peak was too good for the competition

    By the time he fought Douglas and Ruddock he wasnt at his peak, but he was still in his prime.
     
  4. JimmyShimmy

    JimmyShimmy 1050 psi Full Member

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    It's a tricky one.

    I know looking **** has something to do with the other guy looking good, but I am still sure that Mike was luke warm that night.

    I think if Mike had trained well and had his head screwed on it would have probably been the most exciting fight of his career, but I fancy him for the win in the middle to late rounds.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    How anyone could think he quit against douglas is beyond me.

    He gave his all to knock buster out, he just wasn't good enough on the night. He showed resolve even further by returning to the top of the division in 96.

    The only time he quit was against holyfield; I don't buy into the retaliation - I think he wanted a way out and took it.

    He didn't look his best against douglas but then again noone had punished him the way buster had.

    Had there been a stricter ref counting douglas out, it'd have been lauded as his greatest victory. As it is, it's his greatest loss and he took it like a losing champion should do.
     
  6. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Later in his career Tyson had a tendency to give up and take his beating. He did it against Holyfield in the first fight and again with Lennox Lewis.

    Tyson could have done more against both Holyfield and probably Douglas he just didnt have anyone giving him the proper advice
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Not what i'd call giving up. It's actually the opposite and more like refusing to give up.

    Mike always believed he'd win in the end, apart from, imo, holyfield 2.

    Maybe with better corners he'd have fought a better gameplan but that's all part and parcel of boxing.

    Wlad may well have dominated for a decade by now if he'd have got with steward earlier but that's speculation.

    Regarding these two fighters, the only evidence we have is the fight they had. I'm willing to say that mike would never have steamrolled douglas at any point in his career.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I don't think he would have steamrolled a prepared Douglas, but a well-prepared Tyson with a real corner would win. If the Douglas of the Holy fight shows up, it's over in a round. The shitty, unprepared version of Tokyo Tyson was a second or two away from KO'ing the best version of Douglas.
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    A better prepared tyson has a better chance of victory. A better prepared douglas has an even better chance of replicating his own victory.