did mike tyson ever punch out of a clinch or push opponent back?

I enjoyed writing the post, you might have already agreed with alot of it, but others can still be educated by the myth that Tyson was a good infighter.

Your point on Tyson needing and should have thrown more bodyshots?Throwing body shots to good effect is not as easy as it looks. It requires one to be in good position to throw them.
.....and as we've both agreed, Tyson was'nt very good in letting his hands free on the inside.
I think alot of it has to do with foot positioning, I'd often times find Tyson's feet squared up and parralel to one another.
Not just Holyfield, but others have been able to body up Tyson and push him back because of the way Tyson positions his feet.

When you parrallel you feet square like Tyson often did, you cant get much leverage to punch.

When Tyson had sucess out of that stance is when fighters tried to mantain distance. When they came in to punch at Tyson, that stance better abled Tyson to slide his head from side to side (Tyson's famous headmovement)
The leverage to punch for Tyson came from coming out of a slight crouch whenever Tyson moved his head to one side.
.....but when the opponent chose to not mantain distance, and instead close ground, it not only took away Tyson's headmovement, but it neatralized the way Tyson wanted to leverage himself to punch.

I could'nt give you the examples where Holyfield neutralized Tyson's body shots you ask of me as I dont have the fight handy with me.



Why did'nt Tyson throw more right hands?
I mean really think about it......You can throw hooks and miss, and still be in decent enough position to defend....but when you throw a straight right hand and miss, your hold right side becomes vulnerable for a counter shot.
Apparently, Holyfield's jab was enough to offset Tyson from thowing right hand leads, but more so, you make a mistake with Holyfield trying to land right hand leads, and you're going to find yourself on the seat of your pant courtesy of an Evander Holyfield left hook counter.
I've heard alot of fighters mention that Holyfield could crack with that left hook.

Because he caught Evander with a right hand to open the fight, means that thats the punch that will work for him all night???
Holyfield was just too good a fighter to get caught with the same punch over and over.
To beat him, you have to make adjustments throughout the fight....adjustments that because of Tyson's awesome punching effect on most, he rarely had to turn to.

Again, all these things that Tyson is blamed for not doing comes courtesy of Holyfield just outmanevering him by both hand and foot.

.....and with Douglas, for goodness sake, what the hell could Tyson really do? I just Marvel at the way Douglas went about his business against Tyson, he could'nt miss with the jab....and when he did, he closed the distance quickly as Holyfield did, and pushed off hard throwing Tyson off balance so that he (Douglas could be back in position to throw the jab.
Thats the thing with Tyson, he did'nt fight with the same fire and passion on the inside that he did while on his way in.....so anytime you got yourself in a little bit of trouble vs Tyson, all you had to do as a fighter was close distance.

Douglas did everything crisp, hard, and sharp.....the moment he laxed for one moment and started to get a little lazy with his shots, he found himself on the seat of his pants!

Others dont agree with me, but I just dont see a damn thing that Tyson could have done that would have helped him vs Douglas.
Douglas was just ON, that eerie night in Tokyo, and in every facet of the game!

Could Tyson have done a few things different against Holyfield to make the fights more competitive? Of course theoretically he could have.....but against a greatfighter and counterpuncher like Evander Holyfield, that requires adjustments to be made on the whim.
I have no doubt that Tyson sensed he hurt Holyfield with some body shots in the 5th round. Those hurtful body shots lead to Tyson landing that uppercut that had Holyfield holding on.
You dont think that Tyson wanted and knew he had to do more of that?

Of course he did, but the bottom line is that one fighter was able to make the adjustments necessary to avoid such shots, and the other could'nt keep with the same level of adjustments.

Of course you already know it because you alluded to it, but for the benefit of others who dont....bottom line is the better fighter won!

 

you need a ref to decide if you're officially up or not? :think

 

he was only answering your question! Correctly as well!