Did Mike Tyson have the best style to beat Wilder?

Wilder literally has no chance. He doesn't have the fundemantals to keep Tyson off him for 7 rounds to make him tire. Ortiz did a decent job of walking wilder down, how could he keep Tyson away? He gets stopped early. For what it's worth, I think Tyson victim Tucker beats Wilder too.

 

Mike didn't knock out everyone. You can find exceptions. But some of those guys were in survival mode and Tucker was a southpaw with lots of ability.

What about all of the other guys who he did knock out?

What about Wilder's style, and how he's been troubled by B and C class level fighters?

There's more than enough evidence to support a logical theory of how Mike could have gotten inside his reach to have taken him out.

Wilder is dangerous to anybody with his confidence and his huge power, but he would have found it very hard to have timed Mike due to Mike's size and style.

 

When debating you, I've found that the best thing to do is to have a c*cktail of them.

 

Interesting that you choose to hide Wilder behind AJ in your reply. The title of this thread is very specific, stay on topic. Bottom line: Tyson would be by far the best name on Wilder's resume and Wilder would be far from that for Tyson. I agree, out of his short prime, and the fight gets more competitive, but peak Tyson likely dismantles Wilder.

 

I would have liked to see Wilder vs early Tyson simply for chance to see

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Wilder were able to decked Tyson, and whether Tyson would have shown his loss of enthusiasm for the fight once his derriere were to hit the canvas, as happened in later Tyson fights.

But if i was a betting man i would put my money on Tyson destroying Wilder.

 

No ****,
Wilder would lay Tyson in a coma LL style but Tyson wouldn't be standing after. The most over rated hw of ALL TIMES is Tin foil prime Tyson

 

Dude, you claim dw had been troubled by some B C fighters. Kid Tyson LOST to more B C fighters. Wilder also has the best win out of both career and he's still in his prime.

Truly mismatch here. Tyson being laid out by the 7th round after getting caught a few times

 

His only truly impressive win was over Michael Spinks. That remains his career best W.

The others were either over the hill, or in some drug rehab program.

 

I included the two best fighters Wilder fought, which were two smaller guys, who are both under 6'3".

For Tyson I included the his best two opponents in his prime, who were both champions that were 6'4" or taller and had 82" reaches, which is just one inch shorter than Wilder's.

Wilder vs. Stiverne 1

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Stiverne who is very slow and utilizes no head movement was countering a lot of Wilder's right hands with left hooks and even got in some right hands. However, Stiverne rarely went to Wilder's body, which was wide open the whole fight and only punched one at a time. Despite landing a ton of left hooks on Wlder Stiverne was never able to get in the right position to land the left hook flush enough.

Tyson would be firing left hooks to Wilder's body early and would also be throwing combo at Wilder. Tyson also has a ton of head movement and speed that Wilder has never had to deal with.

Wilder vs. Ortiz

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Ortiz was outjabbing Wilder and firing straight to the body, which allowed Ortiz to get into the right position and land some power shots on Wilder. He also made Wilder pay a lot for not tucking his chin and throwing his punches to wide. That said Ortiz is about 2-3 years past prime and couldn't sustain the pressure he was putting on Wilder and is also very slow like Stiverne. When Ortiz stopped jabbing Wilder opened up on him and finished.

Tyson like Ortiz excelled at outjabbing taller opponents, but was also was much better at setting up combinations than Ortiz ever was. I don't think Wilder would make it to the later rounds if he let Tyson get inside as easily as he did Ortiz.

Tyson vs. Bonerusher Smith

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Bonecrusher Smith kept the fight in the middle of the ring so Tyson couldn't cut him off. Everytime Tyson attacked Smith would either tie him up and follow it up with a quick 1-2 throw a sneaky right hand. This kept Tyson from imposing his will on Smith and forced Tyson to focus on racking up points. However, later in the 12th round when Tyson was tired Smith fired off a hard right and badly rocked Tyson right before the final bell.

Wilder has the conditioning and size to utilize Smith's strategy, but I'll also admit that Wilder is faster than Smith, so I could see him catching Tyson coming in with a right hand. However, unlike Smith Wilder doesn't stand his ground as well and likes to fight off the back foot, which is a very bad idea against Tyson, who is quick enough to cut any retreating fighter off and make them pay.

Tyson vs. Tony Tucker

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Tucker used a lot of movement and the uppercut to catch Tyson coming in. However, Tyson fired frequent left hooks to the body, which neutralized Tucker's right hand. Tucker tried to adapt and fight from the outside, but then Tyson would outjab him.

Wilder doesn't have an uppercut like Tucker's and is also wide open to left hooks to the body like Tucker was.

 

Prime Tysons speed, accuracy and power would demolish Wilder.

 

A prime Tyson would run over Wilder like a truck!

 

they held titles. how much higher do you expect them to reach?

let me know if there was a galactic title they shouldda had instead.

 

He would have layed him out IF he'd have had the opportunity to have landed.

That's a given.

Wilder has HUGE power.

The problem for him, would have been trying to time Mike due to Mike's size and his style.

Mike was short, and he was crouched, bobbing and weaving at speed with great head movement. It would have been extremely difficult for Wilder to have landed flush.

The fight against Lennox means nothing. He was a punching bag at that stage, fighting purely for the cheque. I've no doubt that Wilder would also have found that version and taken him out.

 

I don't have to claim anything.

Wilder HAS been troubled by B and C class guys all throughout his career.

Mike lost to B and C class fighters when he was shot and was no longer the same fighter he'd once been.

We're not looking at the versions who lost to Lennox and Danny Williams, we're looking at the best versions of him from the 80's, when he was focused and motivated. If you don't think there was a huge difference between those versions of Mike, then there's no point in continuing the debate.

Truly a mismatch?

You haven't got a clue.

How would Wilder who at times is uncoordinated, have landed his huge right hand on a 5'10 guy who was bobbing and weaving? He needs room, that Mike wouldn't have given him. This would have been a fight where Wilder's size would actually have worked against him. Mike is a horrible stylistic match up for Wilder. Wilder would have had an easier time with Lennox, even if you think that Lennox was superior to Mike.