Did more people believe Fury won the first Wilder fight after the second fight was over?

Holyfield didn't drop Lennox Lewis twice. If he had, he would've won. People always leave that out.

No defending heavyweight champion has ever dropped a challenger twice in a fight, not gone down himself, and lost the title.

Ever.

And no heavyweight title challenger has ever been given so much time to recover from a knockdown in the last round of a title fight.

If Wilder wins the third fight, there's little doubt more people will think he won the first fight. And the debate over Fight 1 will go on forever.

Wilder threw more punches (he was busier) than Fury in 11 of the 12 rounds in Fight 1.

In 8 of the 12 rounds in Fight 1, one guy had outlanded the other by 1 or 2 punches, meaning the round was virtually a toss-up. Do you like the busier guy forcing the fight, or the guy who landed one more punch than the other?

Wilder scored two knockdowns in two different rounds.

That night, on Twitter, George Foreman was suprised Wilder didn't get the decision. Foreman thought Wilder won fight one.

No matter how you slice it, it was ridiculously close that night.

And perceptions will likely change depending on how the series finishes up.

Manny arguably won the first three fights with Marquez. After fight four, people don't view that series the same way as they did after three fights.

 

That fight was not close, Wilder won 3 rounds at the most and 2 of thse rounds were because of the knockdown

 

I've had Wilder winning 2 rounds, and I don't think that's really debatable. Thought it was pretty clear.

 

When you score two knockdowns in two different rounds, you only need to win five rounds to get a draw.

Wilder threw more punches than Fury in 11 of the 12 rounds.

Wilder outlanded Fury by a significant margin in rounds 9 and 12. Fury outlanded Wilder by a significant margin in rounds 3 and 10.

The remaining eight rounds ended with only a difference of 1 or 2 landed shots. And Wilder threw more punches in all those rounds.

Again, do you like the busier guy or the guy who finishes the round with one more landed shot?

I thought Fury won more rounds, but he got dropped twice. The draw was fine.

 

Fury would have won the first fight without the second knockdown, that was the only way they could make an argument for the draw.

 

I agree. But, he did score the second knockdown.

 

Right, that's what makes it so silly. The judge who scored it 113-113 and thus made it a draw had Fury winning 7 of the first 11 rounds. All he needed was to stay upright in the 12th, even if he lost that round. So anyone saying the fight was "fixed" is an idiot, because the judge planning to steal a fight from Fury could not have foreseen a knockdown in the 12th. Only a 10-8 got Wilder the draw on that card.

 

Fury did win the first fight technically and was robbed, but even he knew it wasn't good enough because Wilder decked him twice, and it always taints a victory when the loser does more concussive damage like that. This is also why he wanted to drop/stop Wilder to make a point, it clearly bothered him if you listen to the build up last time.

Even though all fighters should be given the chance to get up like Fury was, it is true that refs do jump on fighters in that situation from time to time and when home town victories are cooking, so it could have been a ''Wilder KO'' in different circumstances, but only due to incompetent/corrupt refs. Fury wasn't knocked out. Let's just say that if Fury goes down like that against Joshua at Wembley, he better be moving as soon as he hits the canvas, and be up at eight.

 

There are plenty of fights where a fighter has been dropped twice, not been dropped and lost.

No one really thinks the draw was just. No one.

 

Wrong. Plenty of people do, including two of the three people sitting at ringside. It's hardly criminal for Wilder to get 3 of 10 non-KD rounds. There wasn't a lot of separate them in most rounds. If you split the first 4 and give Wilder the 7th, there's your draw. If you give Fury 3 of the first 4 and give Wilder 6 & 7, there's your draw.

 

No, name one heavyweight title fight where the defending champ dropped the challenger twice, the champ never went down, and the champ lost the title via decision?

I'll save you some time. It has NEVER happened.

 

Why add limitations?

Plenty of fighters have been dropped twice and won a fight.

 

What limitations? I stated a FACT.

You can't argue it, so you're trying to change my statement.

 

I'm not changing any statement.

The more limitations a fact has, the less impact that fact has.

If your sample is heavyweight title fights including two knockdowns to one fighter that also goes the distance, how many fights actually exist in that sample?

Have you actually looked into what your saying? How many fights are we talking about here? Or is it just the one (LOL)