Did more people believe Fury won the first Wilder fight after the second fight was over?

Anyone with unbiased eyes can see that Canelo won rounds 1-3 & 10-12. He also won round 4 pretty clearly if you know how to score rounds based on clean punching and ring generalship. Rounds 5 and 6 GGG finally started getting into the fight but those rounds were not clear GGG rounds. If GGG won those he only edged them. Rounds 7-9, Canelo gassed and lowered his work rate and GGG outlanded him. Round 7 was GGG's best round but even in rounds 7-9 Canelo still rocked GGG with bombs in each of those rounds. Canelo upped his work rate again in rounds 10-12 and finish strong like a true champion. You giving GGG round 11 is the only thing keeping it from being a draw and that's with you giving GGG rounds 4, 5 and 6 each of which were extremely close. That's a lot of close rounds that you gave to GGG.

You might not realize it, but I suspect you went into this match with an expectation that GGG would win and that made you biased. Especially when Canelo came out of the gate and won the first 3 rounds. No one expected that, that's why everyone gave GGG the 4th round because to keep GGG in it, they needed to find a round to give to GGG and GGG did slightly better in the 4th than he did in the first 3 rounds, but still not enough to actually win the round, just enough for those looking for reasons to give GGG a round instead of scoring it straight up with unbiased eyes as you say.

 

First fight was very close, most said Kovalev won, especially with the knockdown. But Ward fought well down the stretch and there's an argument that Ward won a lot of close rounds and did just enough to edge 7 rounds and win it by 1 point.

Give me a break, a NC is a pipe dream. Nowhere in the world would that be a NC. Ward was landing to the belt-line, not low. The last punch, Kovalev was hunched over leaning forward, he gave Ward no target, Ward tried to dig one more into the body for good measure, but Kovalev was already done and about to stopped. Kovalev was brutalized by body and belt-line shots.

Ward had a great career. But it was surprise when he retired. No one expected him to walk away after he beat Kovalev. Ward could have chased more $$ and legacy fights but his health was more important. Maybe he would come back for Canelo, that woud be a Super Fight.

 

No it is not a pipe dream, in a lot of cases if ref does not see this clearly where the boxer had landed they might do damn a lot there.
This is what this is and I do know how this might had validated in different country and with different ref, judges and inspector.
For sure.

Pipe dream this is if you talk about just fans posts there.
He might not get win in both, ams or pros under some circumstances.

For example I do't think that Ward had hit with intent to break rules but in real time I did not had saw where he had landed some punches.
So if there. Be more realistic.

Well a lot of these former and then current LHW boxers had far more higher S/C level and had been huge blokes if compare with Kovalev.
And in very good shape then.
So yeah, correct decision.

Kovalev is boxer who liked me far less than xxx boxers there around.
He also does not have so high rep in russia too if you are so interested.

 

You're biased as hell lol. I JUST rewatched the "close rounds" and GGG edged them. GGG won rounds 4-9 and took round 11 based on punches landed including his jab. You talk about GGGs close rounds but even the first round was close. You see thats the funniest part. I favored Canelo to win. I didn't enter the fight in favor of GGG nor am i a huge fan of him. But he won, close but decisively. Canelo was on the defensive getting ourworked most of the fight. You're biased

 

LOL yeah Round 1 was close because it was a feel out round but GGG landed nothing. At least Canelo landed SOMETHING. I'll take another look at round 11 we can go through it. But Round 4 needs attention as well. Round 5 I gave to GGG but the first half of that round was all Canelo. It was only that GGG finally did something with that punch with Canelo on the ropes then finished the round with some offense. Round 6 was very close I have a hard time choosing a winner in that one, that could be an even round. If you give Round 6 to GGG that's your choice but don't tell me round 6 was clear.

 

Just admit to the man you are biased and start a separate thread

 

Canelo fans love to bend the rules, when he wins rounds clearly they make the argument he landed more punches and out boxed dominated the round, when he clearly lost a round with low volume, they make the argument its not about the quantity of punches but the quality of work, eye catching punches, the opponents jabs did nothing to him, the opponents punches did nothing to him, he showed more ring genetalship, he was unfazed by his opponents best punches, you have to knock him out in Vegas.

I am so glad Floyd in his twilight schooled this guy who was not exactly a Green fighter when they fought ie 23 years old, 42-0. Oscar had been planning to unleash Canelo on Floyd for a while and Canelo knew that fight will be a possibility so he clearly had enough time to prepare and still came up short.

 

Ring generalship is important. It's one of the 4 criterias of scoring. Defense is also important. Slipping punches and taking the sting off punches is part of defense. Canelo also has a very active guard and instinctively knows when to cover-up. That's something he learned after fighting Floyd when he ate too many clean jabs. Since fighting Floyd, he learned how to slip jabs, block jabs and take away the opponents use of a jab as a weapon. He does land the eye catching punches, he makes opponents miss wildly, the judges notice this.

I just studied Round 11 of the first GGG match after our little chat with Markus about that round and what happened in this round really highlights a lot of what makes Canelo special. If you want to ignore the scoring criteria like ring generalship, clean punching, defense and ignore things like body language that's on you, I suggest you pay more attention to how good Canelo is and what makes him great. He's P4P #1 for a reason.

This is a boxing forum, maybe you should stick to UFC and leave the boxing analysis to those who specialize in boxing not MMA.

 

I may take your advice on the separate thread. I just went through round 11 of the first Canelo GGG match and I think it would be a good idea to create a new topic specifically to detail that round since Markus scored that for GGG. Do you think Markus would be up for a full scale analysis of that round?

 

No. What happened was that after the second fight the vocal minority of imbeciles arguing for Wilder in the first fight could no longer brag about their pyrrhic victory since Wilder got so totally destroyed. There was always a kind of angle they could use that even though Fury totally outclassed Wilder (if they were prepared to accept even that much) he was still the only one to get knocked down and nearly KOed. It fuelled the narrative that even though Wilder could be outboxed he was always just one punch away from victory (as though Wilder couldn't be KOed himself). The second fight of course totally put that to bed.

 

Sure he does. Canelo is very skilled but he gets gift decisions as well. He got 114-114 against Floyd. That tells you everything about the judges in his pocket

 

The other judges had it close as well, 116-112 & 117-111. Far from the usual one-sided Floyd scorecards vs most of Floyd's oppoonents. Obviously Canelo fought Floyd much closer than usual for all 3 judges to give Canelo that many rounds.

 

He only leaves his gaming chair to pee,,crap and prepare a pot noodle....

 

@iii quoting yourself, do you talk to yourself too?

 

Ask him