Did Muhammad Ali train during his exile?

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  1. andrewe

    andrewe Ezekiel 33 banned Full Member

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    1967-1970, did he train at all?
    I know he was going around the country giving anti-war speeches and the like. He was originally sentenced to go to prison, but that somehow never happened (he likely payed his way out, just like every celebrity and rich person does.)

    When he did the recorded-fight with Marciano, in Jan. 1970, he looked in good shape. Too good of shape to have not been doing anything for nearly 3 years, so he must've been working out, right?
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    Does anyone know?
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I’m sure he worked out to keep in shape figuring he was going to return at some point but not with intensity of going into a fight.
     
  3. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not really he got up to 240lbs.
     
  4. WAR01

    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

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    You know before his exile he contemplated retiring?
     
  5. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    I never understood how Ali could lose his legs and speed during that 3 yr layoff. He was still a young man, he hadn't been in brutal fights or sparring sessions, was not missing meals, etc. It's not like he retired at 37 and came back at 40.

    Weird.
     
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  6. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    He was convicted of Draft Evasion in Houston, Texas, on June 20 1967, sentenced to 5 tears in prison, fined $10,000.00. He filed an appeal, and filed numerous appeals until he was exonerated by the U. S Supreme Court, on June 28 1971, war is not beautiful, he did not agree with what it represented as many American's opposed it, it was political.
     
  7. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali was banned from boxing due to his conviction of Draft Evasion in 1967, his license was suspended, and he was stripped of his title. He was on the lecture circuit at different colleges to pay his his legal team while he appealed his conviction, he was not rich by any means at that time. I read that he sparred with various fighters, but it is not the same as being in the ring for a 15 round fight. He also gained an enormous amount of weight, which is not good for any one, no one like to see a flabby fighter, it shows lack of conditioning. He showed ring rust when he fought champion Joe Frazier, on March 8 1971, Frazier won it fair and square that night. Ali even looked terrible against Oscar Bonavena on Dec 7 1970, Ali won, TKO 15. He did not even come close to the Ali who stopped Zora Folley by TKO 7, on March 22 1967.
     
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  8. andrewe

    andrewe Ezekiel 33 banned Full Member

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    I've heard the story about him and his old trainer, Archie Moore, where Moore was trying to teach him the cross-guard for when he got older and couldn't rely on speed. Ali replied that he intended to retire young, and would have no need for it.

    But, having read dozens of articles from the 60s about Ali/Clay, some having been written by the man himself, that doesn't surprise me.
     
  9. kdyehs

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    For a 6'3 240 is not much. Some super middle weight (168) climbs up to 210 lbs in between fights.
     
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  10. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True but his pre exile weight was around 210, and his comeback for Quarry he came in at a trim 214. His highest was 236 against Berbick in 81, and he was flabby.
     
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  11. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    From a medical standpoint, it is very hard on the heart, an individual later in life could get coronary artery disease, also develop Diabetes. It looks better if a man that size weighs in at 215 lbs at the most. I know today, most of the younger generation like 240 lb athletes, but it could be as I said before, very difficult on the heart, carrying all that excess weight around. The heavyweights in most of our era's were in shape, it showed good training habits.
     
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  12. Richard M Murrieta

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    No one likes a flabby fighter, no muscle mass, too many Snickers or milk shakes.
     
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  13. Bokaj

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    I don't think he trained much. He was out on his tour of speaking at colleges a lot.

    There are some footage of him when was hired as Ellis's sparring partner in the fall of 1969 and he says that he is very rusty.

    He only did two exhibitions and one of them was just seven weeks before the Quarry fight.

    Edit: The second exhibition was only two weeks before the fight according to this video. Ali reportedly came in at 221 lbs:

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  14. Thor Odinson

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    No he did not but he should have it would have made the 70’s easier on him
     
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  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He seemed to have lived pretty cleanly. He certainly didn't ballon up like Fury did. But I haven't seen anything that suggests that he was doing anything close to a pro routine of, say, training 5 days a week and doing roadwork. Most of his time seems to have been devoted to speaking at colleges.