Did pacman beat prime 3?

All that shows is that Mab and EM were still living off their past glory. But it doesn't prove that they were not past their best. Infact, you look at their rating, and compare it to their performances and it will be evident that these two fighters were not the same that got them those rankings.

Losing ro Zahir Raheen is not imo P4P material.

Did you even watch any Barrera fights before the Pac fight? If you cannot see the difference from when he fought Morales
I and Hamed, to how he was fighting against Tapia and Kelley, then you will never understand. On paper Pac looks awesome, but boxing in not all about paper, it's about reality.

Reality was that Barrera and Morales were past their best. How can you rank Pac ahead of Trinidad, ODLH, Mayweather, Hopkins, Chavez, Whitaker, and yes even Morales and Barrera when his most notable fights are against aged fighters.

It's like Ranking ODLH above Chavez for beating him, Camacho and Whitaker.

 

may i ask uliuli if he thinks mab did beat a prime hamed?

 

yea yea yea excuses about barrera's house burning and metal plates in his head bla bla bla. He was still the featherweight king at the time no matter what pac haters wants to say.

This was 2005 and look at barrera and morales still in the top 10 lb4lb
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Ring/Ring061705.htm

As far as marquez go it was a close fight but we all know who won the fight. Oh and by the way a supposedly shot barrera who knockdown marquez was supposed to be shot right? Barrera is past his prime but he knockdown and should be the winner of the fight had the dumbazz referee counted the knockdown in the 7th round

 

Despite having a long very succesful reign as champion, I do, for the simple fact that he had less then 10 years of pro experience and was as impressive as ever. He was KD by Kelley, but I attribute that to his carelessness more than any diminishsing skills.

 

exactly... barrera-morales were still very good but pac haters just wants to make excuses that pacman beat these guys when their past their prime bla bla bla.
No one wants to give pacman credit for winning.

Pacman beats barrera-morales-delahoya and haters says he beat past their prime boxers

He beat young undefeated lucero-solis and pac haters says those guys are nobodys

Pacman can't get no credit no matter what atsch

 

RJJ KD Calzaghe, what's your point? As good as Barrera still is, there is no denying he was past his best. And this further proves that a prime Barrera would likely beat Pacquiao.

 

i cannot understand why some people insist on pac fighting all the top opponents prime for prime. you all need to knock some sense into you and see beyond the hate.

a fighter like pac, em, mab or jmm will probably have 50 fights in his lifetime. of the 50, probably 15-20 will be against top notch opposition ranging from top b level fighters to possible hof and atgs.

a figher will have probably 3-6 peak years in terms of skill, stamina and workrate. mab or em were at their peak from 25-29 years old, because a lot of people here are saying that they were already shot when they both fought pac.

given the short "prime" shelflife of a fighter, you cannot really blame a fighter if he was not able to fight the best in their generation prime for prime. that is just the way life goes. there are generations when some weights are not as exciting and full of talented fighters.

 

i agree with you here. mab beat a prime hamed. but what you are doing now is like what hamed fans are doing. hamed fans argue that he was not prime when mab beat him. see the similarity?

 

what's my point? the jones-calzaghe fight was a domination by calzaghe.. barrera-marquez fight was a close fight which if that dumbazz referee counted that knockdown then barrera would have won the fight. Those damn judges were blind with that scorecard if they think marquez dominated barrera. Round 7 instead of barrera winning the round 10-8 he loss it cuz of the stupid referee taking a point away from him when he punch marquez who was CLEARLY KNOCKDOWN

 

that is a mere conjencture and has no basis bro.

the first fight was fair and square, pac was just a replacement fighter and hence lacked the correct preparations. mab was distracted during training etc.

meaning, both of these distractions basically evened things out. yet a non prime pac (24 years old), (since he was still climbing the ranks and one-dimensional that time) brutalized a prime mab (29 years old). mab was knocked down in the 3rd, 6th (which was counted as a slip but slow mo clearly shows he was knocked down silly) before throwing the towel in the 11th.

you can see in mabs eyes in the first two rounds that he was really underestimating pac and he was too confident.

 

But if the Ref had ruled it a KD then surely the way Barrera punched Marquez once he was down should have costed him a point. Then what?

And since we're talking about Ref's and KDs, Cortez should have taken a point off Manny for hitting Marquez while he was down. And had Marquez not recovered Pac could have gotten DQ, like Cortez did with Soto, remember.:deal

Pac is lucky Cortez is a horrible ref.

 

AGREE .. see this is what i dont get.. all these people saying barrera was distracted bla bla bla in his first fight with pacman that's why he lost. Why didn't he get a rematch right away? why wait till 4 yrs laters ? atsch If he really thought he could beat pacquaio then he should have ask for a rematch right away.

 

He wouldn't have punch him if the referee started counting. Instead of being ahhh what do i do now marquez has 2 gloves on the floor geee i guess i let them fight.

 

even jmm didn't want an immediate rematch against pac and priced himself out of the fight and i don't blame them. they knew that fighting pac will just result in a war and would probably shorten their career like what happened to morales. for guts, i have morales ranked higher than mab and jmm.

 

agree. if he thought he can beat pac, he should have asked for an immediate rematch, just as pac asked an imediate rematch with em.

in the same manner, jmm should have asked for an immedate rematch and instead, flew to indonesia with his tail in between his legs. instead of getting 750k plus ppv, he chose to fight for 30k. :yep

the mab and jmm rematch against pac were 4 years too late. enough time for people to forget how their fighters were brutalized to the canvas.:hey