Pacquiao said it on TV. There's a video on YouTube of Mosley confirming things were good. Negotiations were going well until Arum changed his mind and decided on an all-Top Rank fight.
Pacquiao didn't decline, Arum did. Then there's the fact that Cotto is a tougher match-up and better fighter than Mosley. Had Pacquiao beaten him, some hater or Rican would be claiming Pacquiao "ducked" Cotto. He can't win, despite beating the better fighter. And a more obvious duck? Look at Mayweather/Margarito. No wonder Mayweather fans were happy when Margarito got beat because it almost justified the shameless duck.
Cotto wasn't the tougher matchup, stylistically Mosley matched up much better with Pac and Roach knew this as well as Arum and that's why they went with Cotto.:deal Mosley was far more dangerous than Cotto was.
How could cotto be the tough match up, when roach admitted a match against mosley was to dangerous because mosley was to good.
You can say he did. And for good reason. The same way FLoyd 'ducked' a lot of fighters. And for good reasons too.
They went with Cotto solely because Arum kept more money for himself. As for the styles, what has Pacquiao had trouble with? He's always struggled against a really good jab, which Cotto has. His big weakness throughout his career, was body punches and Cotto was supposed to break Pacquiao down, to the body. What advantanges did Mosley have? He was an aging fighter, who had looked poor in all but one recent fight. Prime Mosley gives Pacquiao problems but he was far from prime.
I like Roach but if you're going to take this comment seriously, you have to be fair: Hes also said Mosley was an easier fight [than Cotto]. He's said Floyd was an easy fight and then the toughest of Pacquiao's career. He said Malignaggi presented no issues for Khan and then he was a dangerous opponent. He contradicts himself, so you can't base your entire argument around one, flippant comment.
Not quite sure how this is even a debate, im a pac fan but the answer is without a doubt YES. Was it Pacman himself? of course not, pac i truly believe would fight anyone, but roach did, and in the world of boxing that becomes about the same thing these days. The answer is yes... lol... not sure why this is even debatable. It was Mosley, not Cotto or Clottey, who was the top welter at the time...... It was MOSLEY, not Cotto or Clottey, who was the top welter at the time. bringing up a fight years prior between Cotto and Mosley has NO BEARING on this lol, boxing doesnt work like that... it was Cotto who had just got beat down by margarito and barely got by clottey, and mosley who had put in a career best just about in destroying margarito, and was considered by everyone the top welterweight in the world. So.... Pac moves to welterweight. He could fight Mosley, a champion, and number one ranked welter, but didnt.... why did he not? Well, we could use roach's own words for that one. When Mosley asks why he would have to drain himself down to 142 when they fought oscar at 147, roachs reply? "Youre not Oscar" and goes on to say hes better then oscar. Pac went on to fight the second (or third if you count mayweather) best fight available at his new weight, and thats Cotto. Nothing wrong with that, its not like Pac should be crucified here... EVERYONE has done what he did at some point or another, but call it like it is. Its simple guys, nothing against pac man, but Mosley was ducked. Do i hold it against Pac? not really, it was a new challenge to face a live dangerous fighter at the weight and wanted to go up against the second best welter.... big deal. but i still call it how i see it, and it is what it is to me. I also think that Pac would have fought Mosley had he not lost to Mayweather, and he will likely fight Mayweather now, so in the end, it doesnt matter anyways. But thats not the question... the question is was mosley ducked at that time, and i believe the answer is yes, is it a big deal to me? not really just IMO
Good post, Kirk, but I disagree because I think the Margarito controversy, boosted Cotto a lot. After that revelation, people no longer accepted that Cotto was beaten fairly and they still don't. Knowing this and looking at Cotto's much superior form, ignoring both Margarito fights, he was ranked ahead of Mosley in many peoples eyes. Even if The Ring didn't acknowledge it, I think Cotto was the better fighter and I think most fans would have agreed with that. It's dissapointing the Mosley/Pacquiao fight didn't happen but I don't think it was a duck and I do think Pacquiao fought a better fighter instead. Hope things are good, mate.
Yeah, the same reasons the fight negotiations broke down the first time, were repeated the second time before the Clottey fight. Arum was greedy and had no desire to work with Oscar. It's as clear cut as that, I think.
all good man, i can see your point... though i maintain that it seemed like a more dangerous matchup for pac at the time (cotto might be a better fighter then mosley, which i believe he is, but i think Mosley matches up more dangerously for pac, a guy who pac wont hurt who is fast and has a big punch - compared to cotto who has better skills and is more versatile, but lacks that one punch power, is very vulnerable when it comes to being hurt, ect, ect) To each their own, one has to see it from all viewpoints and i appreciate being able to see why someone would think otherwise. Hope all is well man :thumbsup
I would say he ducked him, i would also say he would have beat him quite easily and im a ***** more than a ******* LOL!!