Did Roy Jones duck these fighters? And why?

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  1. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Nigel Benn - YES - Avoiding a big puncher
    Chris Eubank - NO - Eubank stated in interview that he didnt want to fight
    Gerald Mcclellan - YES - Avoiding a big puncher
    Steve Collins - YES - Even Freddie Roach says Collins would win
    Michael Nunn - NO - Moved up in weight for fight with Toney
    Joe Calzaghe (prime) - NO - Why take a risk on an unknown fighter
    Bernard Hopkins (prime) - YES - Couldnt agree on money split
    James Toney (LHW) - NO - Different weights
    Dariusz Michalczewski - NO - Didnt want to fight outside of USA becuse of olympic robbery (fair enough)
    Vassilly Jirov - YES - Avoiding a big puncher


    I honestly believe Roy Jones avoiding big punching competition during his career because of his chin issues which clearly him and his team knew about his entire career.

    However, I dont think Roy can be blamed for all the fights not happening in particular the fight with DM. I mean why would anyone want to fight in Germany especially after the Reid vs Ottke debacle?


    Thoughts?
     
  2. PolishPummler

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    Because DM was "the MAN" and the true champ at LHW.Roy collected belts that were wrongfully stolen from the Champ!
     
  3. jimcox88

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    Well if freddie said that it must be true
     
  4. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nigel Benn - YES - Probablly Jones was freinds with McClellan and the Benn-McClellan fight probablly got in his head hell you can even see Jones style chance since that night.

    Chris Eubank - NO - When Jones went up to 168 Eubank suffered 2 losses to Steve Collins there was no demand for it.

    Gerald Mcclellan - NO - There was only a 2 year window to make this fight when they where Champions before McClellan was injured so I cant say he ducked him when there wasnt much time.

    Steve Collins - YES - I dont care what Freddie Roach had said thats irrelevant. Jones had years and chances to make this fight in this country but didnt seem intrested in it.

    Michael Nunn - NO - By the time Jones had moved up to Nunn's divison at Super Middleweight Nunn lost a couple fights while Jones fought a man who beat Nunn in James Toney around that time.

    Joe Calzaghe (prime) - NO - Calzaghe started his reign at Super Middleweight after Jones had already moved up to Light Heavyweight. They where not in the same weight and there was no demand for it.

    Bernard Hopkins (prime) - NO - They couldnt agree on the split which is Hopkins fought he was fighting for Jones belt, Jones was the more proven draw and had already defeated Hopkins he did not deserve 50 percent until now of course.

    James Toney (LHW) - NO - There was never demand for this rematch they fought in there primes and Roy won every round and scored a KD.

    Dariusz Michalczewski - NO - Roy had been robbed outside of the US before and shaddy things happened in DM fights, the man refused to come to the US so hes to blaim

    Vassilly Jirov - NO - Jirov only fought at Cruiserweight until 2003 and Roy never fought at Cruiserweight until Danny Green last month (offically a Cruiserweight bout), Jirov and Jones werent never close enough in weight until a brief period in 2003 when Jirov had just lost to Toney so what was the purpose for Jones then ?
     
  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't think Roy ever ducked anyone. He would have stepped in the ring against anyone if he thought he was getting a good deal.
     
  6. PolishPummler

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    Merchant and HBO didnt call him Reluctant Roy for nothing!!!
     
  7. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Jones is one of the biggest frauds ever he has no Chin and no heart. The Hopkins fight is going to put the nail in the coffin of the Roy Jones mystique.
     
  8. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    I think Roy may have outpriced himself too much. "60/40 I'll whoop that ass!". He was just too reluctant to agree upon 50/50 with Hopkins which is kinda understandable because he beat him before but still.
     
  9. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Gotta laugh at these polish fools. Roy woulda spanked DM silly.
     
  10. DRMULLEN

    DRMULLEN Active Member Full Member

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    The only person a peak Roy may have ducked was GOD, He may be the bigger guy up there, but Roy was the bigger guy down here.
     
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  11. SnakeFist7

    SnakeFist7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They called him Reluctant Roy because of his style in the ring -- SOMETIMES he would make a sparring match of a fight. He didn't start doing that until he got to LHW, that's when they started to call him Reluctant Roy, FOR HIS FIGHTING RELUCTANCE IN THE RING AT THAT TIME.
     
  12. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the deal with Calzaghe couldn't be made because one was with Showtime and the other with HBO.
     
  13. SnakeFist7

    SnakeFist7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He didn't duck Benn... he was offered a good amount to fight Jones, it's in a interview that lampley and other boxing writers and such had with Jones before one of his fights. Benn turned it down, I don't know why. Maybe the amount wasn't what he wanted, I dunno. But it was a 7 figure number. And I know Benn isn't a ducker, so I can't really say what happened there. It never materialized.

    I dunno about the Steve Collins one. Collins wanted to fight him so badly. It just never happened.

    As for BHOP, well I would not say BHOP was so completely green there, that would be bull****. Roy wasn't prime in that fight either, or a 100%. It's one of the fights that occurred the way it did, mostly because BHOP, was known just as a good up and coming puncher/boxer at that time. Actually he was known as a bit of puncher, not devastating, but solid definitely. Ego's got in the way on this one, Roy should've got the bigger purse. **** hit the fan when BHOP insulted him.

    DM never wanted to leave Germany.

    Never ducked G-Man. They were SUPPOSED TO FIGHT if he had beat Benn. Roy moved up to fight Toney, who was a top p4p at the time and according to all the experts, a pick em fight. But he dominated toney. If G-man had defeated Benn then there would've been a fight. But we all know what happened with that.

    So the only person I can think of is Collins...

    RJJ has fought punchers and people who have some decent pop throughout his career. They just could never land anything too severe on him, he had a good talent of being just out range when a punch came, so he would take some of the impact, but not all of it. I can't explain how he did not get KO'd in the first ROUND by Ruiz. I don't care what no body say, a glass jawed fighter who starts their career at 154 and eventually moves up to Heavy weight, to fight one with decent power, who outweighs him by 20+ pounds, is going to be able to take their punches. In the first round ruiz landed 2 BIG right hands, and you could see that Jones was hurt a some by the second one, as his body did a weird motion. But he came back firing. And later on he was hit with some right hand right on his chin hard, but took it. I have no idea how he did not get ko'd. Maybe he was on roids, but I doubt it.
     
  14. PolishPummler

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    Maybe so but he sure wasnt as confident in himself as you are of him.:thumbsup
     
  15. Rhino718

    Rhino718 M.O.B. Full Member

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