Did Roy Jones have the competition....

Nope not even close. Plus he was brutally KOed by 2 fighters who will not come close to sniffing the HOF.

 

Only one of those KO's was brutal. So using your criteria if a guy loses by KO when over the hill to average comp then he's ****? Ray Leonards obviously not in the HOF then :huh

 

I don't know about the greatest of all-time, but given a win over DM and the other leading Middleweights and Supermiddleweights of the early-mid 90's (Eubank, Collins, Nunn, Possibly Benn and/or McLellan before their fight), a win over Hopkins in a rematch in the early 2000's, and Jones would be a lock for the top 15 IMO.

If he had challenged Lewis instead of Ruiz and somehow had won the fight, Top 10 or 5 opens up, but he would never have beaten Lewis.

So no, I don't think so. He never would have been able to forge the kind of resume that even stacks up to the lightweight through heavyweight resume of Sam Langford.

 

It was more of the other way around. Please post a link where it says Jones actually ducked someone.

 

Making those fighters look horrible is what Jones was able to do, that's how gifted he was that he made most of those guys that fought him look like bums. People don't like to believe that and deny it either because they are losers or they hate to know that someone is special in his own unique way. That's what RJJ was and will forever be remembered, he said it best when answered a question from one of the critics "People will appreciate my talent when I'm retired" and that's exactly what's happening slowly now.

 

Yes, at least the top 5....

That is the biggest shame about Roy's career, because all of those fighters I feel he could have beaten.

Though he has a solid top 30 ATG resume, add The Dark Destroyer, Dariuz, and Eubank, he breaks the top 10...

If he beat all the ones you mentioned, plus what he has already done, then yes... All time Greatest fighter, especially when you take the Robinson like physical talents he had into thought.

 

So you judge a fighter harshly due to what happened when he was clearly not that same fighter???

****, I could write a book on ATG's that were over the hill and lost to people they would not have in their primes..


I have read other posts of yours where you are sympathetic to fighters(whose name isnt Roy Jones) who were old, past their best,or had weight loss issues, when it helped your point.

You are a hating hypocrite, and your credibility is none......

 

Glad it's not just me that sees what a **** this guy is, well done :yep

 

He never argues with subjective information, even when I lay it out for him... Just ignores me and goes on to the next glass jaw statement like he is some kind of chin doctor...

 

Utter BS Jones ducked Darius M, Benn, McClellan, Nunn just to name 4. He made a career out of being screwed in the olympics, it gave him an excuse never to travel outside the US to fight.
Jones was 75%hype 25% natural talent 0% guts

 

Ridiculous.... Who are you to talk about guts???? Roy Jones has beaten soundly 2 ATG's of the sport, that both were #1 pound for pound at some point, now way past their bests... but STILL competing at championship level. James Toney was 1 by a lot of P4P lists when Roy beat him every round... Who are you to say he has no guts?

To say that Jones was more hype than talent..atsch


Hype isn't real, Jones' ability is.. and will always be remembered.

 

Id rather he fought Lewis and lost rather than go back down to lightheavy and eventually lose to guys like Johnson and Tarver.
That hurt his career.


The Ruiz win is simultaneously underrated and overrated by different sections of people. Ruiz wasnt a big heavy, nor very good and certainly was the weakest champ around at the time.
But he continues to be a top contender and went on to become champ again legit, despite what people say.

 

BTW...I feel you are being unfair with the "ducking" thing.... When you are recognized as the best fighter in the world, and ask only that the competition comes to you, as Jones did, you are holding the full house in poker IMO....
Sure a flush can beat you, but none of those fighters were willing to fight Jones at least as much as he were willing to fight them.

All proven by the fights never happening, and Jones' name going down in history over every one of those fighters....

Like I said, 75% hype to 25% talent, does not last, Roy did and will forever... live with it.:yep