Did Roy Jones Jr out-box Bernard Hopkins in 2010?

I think we are in agreement there. Where we could well disagree is putting this loss of speed,timing and reflexes down to the bulking up and down again for the Ruiz, and Tarver fights.

It is pure garbage to think Jones had any intentions of staying at Heavy, he just played a good hand by picking the weakest " meaningful " title holder. There was no chance of him fighting even a shot 3 round fighter like Tyson was at that time. And he certainly wasn't going to fight a Klitchko or Lennox Lewis.

 

He didn't pick the weakest champ.

His initial target was Holyfield in 2001. :good

Mike was shot in 2003, and although the fight would have been a circus, it would also have been huge!

He desperately wanted Tyson, and there was talk of a Lewis fight after he'd beaten Vitali.

Go and look at the links on the freelibrary.com.

Just type in their names.

Your hatred is clouding your judgement.

If Roy wasn't serious about fighting again at HW, then why did he keep his Ruiz weight on?

I've told you that he had to drop his weight for Tarver in a hurry.

 

With all due respect, showing tricks and decent handspeed against Hopkins at 45 isn't all that much to write home about.

Anyway, you obviously have an agenda either for Jones, or anti Hopkins, as you really are trying to portray this fight as being close when the scorecards prove the exact opposite to be true.

And no I don't need to watch the snooze fest again to attempt to see a closer result.

 

I am sure you could do much better.

 

I think he honestly wanted Tyson after Ruiz.. It would have been huge, even with Tyson being shot..

Jones Jr. Vs. Tyson.. It would have been very big.. And believe Jones wanted it bad.

Like it or not, John Ruiz wasn't that weak either, and many experts picked Ruiz to be too big for Roy.. We all know one punch could have ended it, he gets credit for moving up and winning a title in his 4th weight class... Only a hater would disagree.

Fact of the matter is, Ruiz connected clean on ATG iron chinned Holyfield, and hurt him bad... But Ruiz connected clean once on Jones, and he walked right through it.

 

I dont see it being entertaining at all. Lewis on his worst day was a hundred times better than Ruiz, far more athletic, far more skillful, and a hell of a lot bigger and more powerful. He could easily have boxed Jones from distance, and KO'd him whenever he decided to.

 

16 people need to understand the judging criterias.

 

Your credibility goes out of the window right there. There is no reason whatsoever for anyone to believe that the American boxing authorities would favour Hopkins over Jones, or that their officials would show bias towards the promoters choice between those two.

There are idiots who claim that 1 Yank ref, and 3 Yank judges favoured Calzaghe over Hopkins.

Both instances are moronic.

 

I totally disagree.

Out of the 4 champions at that time Byrd, Sanders, Ruiz, and Lennox, Ruiz by far was the worst, and weakest champion. A **** fighter.

Ruiz connected cleanly a lot more than once on Holyfield, so I dont see why you are trying to prove Jones had a good chin, based on him getting clipped by Ruiz. He was hit cleanly by Del Valle and went down which gives you a truer measure of his chin. Far more pertinent is the amount of times Jones nailed Ruiz, and the big lummox didn't even flinch.

You do realise that Ruiz possesses a KO ratio of less than 60% don't you?

I don't believe for one moment that Jones seriously wanted Tyson, no matter who writes what in free libraries, or Wikipedia. Tyson was still a dangerous fighter for 3 rounds, and would not have needed to catch Jones twice.

Now I cant be bothered to reply to Loudons post individually so I'll answer it here.

He claims that Tarver gate crashed Jones post fight press conference at the Ruiz fight challenging him, and accusing him of ducking.

Then he claims that poor little Roid had to keep the extra half a stone of added muscle for a whoooooooole 8 months.

So which is it? Did he fight Tarver at a months notice, or did he decide after the gate crashing that Tarver was next, thus giving him ample time to prepare?

 

There was talk of Roy fighting Lennox all throughout 2003, but in the end Lennox chose to retire.

After Roy had beaten Ruiz, Lennox gave him respect, but said that a fight with him would be a bridge too far.

But after his performance against Vitali, he knew it was time to let go. The Vitali fight was never planned as his retirement fight. Manny Steward didn't know it was going to be his last fight, and neither did Lennox at the time.

It's easy for you to say that Roy would have been an easy nights work for Lewis, but obviously Lewis didn't agree.

Have a look at these:

https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxing%253A%2BLewis%2Bto%2Bfight%2BJnr%2Band%2Bquit.-a0103550567&sa=U&ei=MK73UYDzJ4q2hQfz7IGgCg&ved=0CBAQFjAEOBQ&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNF0pt6jGMZ_h_LOt4utpBNuoEX2uA

https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...ds-cse&usg=AFQjCNFoNWveS8c6bp5XysenS9FMX9SZOg

https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...ds-cse&usg=AFQjCNEpfJG4Y4N48ezKM0OBmBa2Sg3pHw

 

American authorities? You mean like GBP? You know, where Hopkins is president? The company that promoted the fight?

 

So the 3 judges, and the ref all danced to GBP's tune did they?:roll: