Did Roy Jones losing 20 lbs of muscle factor in him losing...

Widdow_Maker, would steroids help achieve the muscle gain claimed by some?

 

Jones didn't pack on 25 lbs of muscle. Ive already stated he added around 10-15.


Roy on fight night as a LHW weighs 185. So he cuts 10lbs, a person can cut 10-15lbs of water weight.


So he weighed 200lbs against Ruiz. Meaning he added AT MOST 15lbs of muscle. 15 is very doable specially training with someone like Mackie Shilstone. Now on that "walmart scale" he had pants on and weighed 200lbs

So we can assume he probably weighed 198 naked.


Now tell me, why would the director who weighed Jones admit that he was more than 193. Why would Mackie go out of his way to say that Jones was 200lbs? Come on Widdow, the facts are there. You think Mackie uses a walmart scale to weigh Jones too and he's just rambling about how much he weighs? Please, Mackie is a big time professional, if he says Jones was 200lbs and the director who weighed Jones says he didn't weigh him right. I gotta go with Roy was weighing more than 193.

 

Of course. However, I honestly don't believe that Roy weighed more than 190 lbs. I am sure that you know as well as I do that if you weigh in at 193 pounds with a track suit and shoes... that you don't weigh 200 butt naked. As far as steroids go... we all know he has had problems with that in the past.

 

Start showing real proof.:good

Like I said... it is obvious to me that Jones simple didn't gain or lose that much weight. Neither Jones or his team looked surprised or said anything at the official weigh in. They weighed in on official scales. Jones weighed 193 with a track suit and shoes on. This is recorded publically, in front of the media, on video and in pictures. This is official.

 

:nono

Why is it you believe "reports" with no hard evidence that Jones had weights under his BELT - yet he had a track suit on

And Why is it the director who weighed Jones himself said he messed up the weigh in, why does this not count for anything?

Why does Mackie Shilstone whos a professional trainer with this stuff, say he's 200lbs? Do you not think Mackie weighed Jones?


And why would Jones have Mackie lie even if by some chance he didn't weigh near 200lbs? Jones used his lack of a good performance against Tarver as the reason but has not used it since. Did Jones see the future and demand that Mackie lie about his weight so he could use it as a excuse for every fight thereafter?

Come on Widdow you know better than that.

The facts are there.

 

Real Proof? Ive got a VIDEO of him weighing 200lbs on a scale with just pants on.

Ive got quotes from Mackie and the director who weighed Jones himself that he weighed him wrong.

What other proof do I need?

Just go look at photos of Jones before the Ruiz fight and during, he's a lot thicker and bigger.

 

Quite true.


What do you make of the weigh in incident, where Ratner was not able to accurately weigh Roy?

That is one argument used to say he was bigger than what the scale said.

 

I know "walmart scales" aren't going to be spot on, but how can you tell me that for some crazy reason, Jones takes off his shirt and he weighs an extra 7lbs?

 

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Renzo Bagnariol, the chairman of the WBA championship committee, said Friday that Jones has been given until April 15 to decide if he wants to remain WBA heavyweight champion or defend his WBA light heavyweight belt. Under WBA rules, Jones had 10 days to make the decision, but it is not surprising that he was given an extension. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Meanwhile, Jones weighed more than the announced 193 pounds at the weigh-in Feb. 27. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mackie Shilstone, Jones' conditioning coach, said Jones was 198 1/2 the morning of the weigh-in. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I knew it was more than 193," said Marc Ratner, the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission. "Roy had a sweat suit on. (The scale) was hovering. I figured he had about three pounds of clothes. With the skirmish that had just happened (between the camps), the amount of people on the stage and all of the jockeying around, I just got them up and down (off the scales)." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ratner said because heavyweights don't have to make a weight, it was better to get the weigh-in over with before another melee broke out. [/FONT]

 

What Mackie says means nothing to me. Ratner said himself that the scales were "hovering" at 193. You know what that means don't you? If a scale is hovering at a certain number, than it isn't going to be more than a pound difference either way. If the scale is hovering near the top at 193, then you aren't going to get further than 193 1/2 or 194 before it stops dead in the middle. It isn't as if he would have gotten all the way up to 199-200 with the scale hovering at 193. You also aren't taking into account that Jones was wearing a track suit and shoes! So, in reality Jones weighed less than 193.

That's just the reality. All Ratner was saying is that he wasn't going to sit there for the extra time it takes to work out the quarters of a pound difference for the scale to level out. He pointed out that Jones was wearing the track suit to obviously explain why it wouldn't make sense to bother coming up with the exact figure if it was 193 3/4 or something like that. He got to 193 and it was hovering so he knew he was on or very near the mark. If a person weighs 199... the scale would not be hovering at 193. Especially a person who weighs 199 in their underwear, but is weighing in with an outfit and shoes. Trust me... I have a lot of experience in this.

 

Why would Jones magically gain 7 more lbs on a different scale while taking clothes off?

Funny how your view on this has changed the 2nd time around.

 

the ruiz fight was his boxing climax. whatever the case may be, he has been beaten pillar to post in most of his fights since then.

 

What? My view hasn't changed at all. I will believe official scales over a cheap as scale thrown on the floor any day of the week.

Think about it Eze.... why on earth do you think Roy would have been trying so hard to make people think that he was heavier than he was? It makes no sense. Why do you think Roy weighed in with a track suit and shoes on? Why do you think that the official scales were balancing at 193?

You are claiming some huge conspiracy theory regarding Roy's weight, as if the man was actually a natural heavyweight or something. All of this... and for NOTHING. Roy won the first fight. He was knocked out in the second fight after he was well acclimated to the weight. Roy himself has never even used this excuse for his loss.

 

Can you also explain Eze how in an interview a few weeks after his fight with Ruiz, Jones was already saying that he was walking around at 186? I can't find it right now, but it used to get posted here all of the time back when this fight happened. So... why was Roy walking around at 186 and also be struggling so bad to get basically to that same exact mark for his next fight with Tarver?