Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

Thats what i did, i discussed and answered your question, and i aint gonna have to post them points again coz you already ducked them three times.

I thought you did go on Boxrec, but you now say you didnt. But earlier you said:-

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12254078&postcount=117

But before that you said:-

Going back to your latest point:-

Thats exactly what you been doing, you have not favoured Jones Jr despite there being a majority consensus that a combination of RJJ's dramatic weight loss, age, Diminished reflexes due to age, not having to rely on a boxing brain because of superior athleticism and other factors were a bigger cause to RJJ's losses than his competition stepping up.

If you watch Calzaghe UD12 RJJ, and RJJ KO1 Montell Griffin and think that the big change in RJJ was due to competition step up, then you need to lay off the boxrec and watch the fights, and if you watch it with a non bias, non ***zaghi mindframe you will realise the points made by me and the majority of posters are spot on.

Lay off the boxrec and start getting into some gypsy bare knuckle fights to learn the game son.

 

General Zod,
Hi mate, that was an absolutely fantastic post. It was very informative, and I've learnt things there what I wasn't wear of. A brilliant post! Like I say, I like micheal Nunn and I wish they'd have fought and it's clear that Roy didn't want to face him. But I've heard an interview with Roy, and he said he had a huge amount amount of respect for Micheal, but in the mid 90's he thought he wasn't the fighter he was and he was through.

But your right he did dodge him. But I just don't think he dodged him, in the way that he was scared of losing to him. Roy was prime in his late 20's by then. I mentioned Collins because Steve begged Roy for a fight, and Roy had no intention of fighting him. But for me, and i'm not trying to excuse Roy, but I don't think it was for a fear of losing, he just wasn't up for the challenge for whatever reason.

Collins had lost to Reggie and Roy was at 175 looking to get belts in that division. People say He ducked Dariusz too, which I don't think he did. But the point I'm making is, He definately ducked Nunn and Collins but not out of fear of being beaten by them. It doesn't make sense to me, that he'd duck Nunn and Collins, yet he'd put 20 pounds of muscle on to fight Ruiz, who was coming off of a win against Evander and on the night of the fight he was still outweighed by a further 20 pounds.

I know styles make fights, But surely the bigger risk is Ruiz? He ducked Collins and Nunn at 175 but 5-7 years later he fights a 16 stone heavyweight. Also, Murrad Muhammad tried desperately to get Roy a Tyson fight after Ruiz. Now I know Mike was pretty much done by then, but still, it doesn't make sense, that a fighter would duck Nunn, Collins and Dariusz and then try and pursue a fight with Tyson and Ruiz. I've also heard that they approached Lewis after The klitchko fight and Lewis told Roy, that there was no way he was fighting again, and this was late 2003.

Now Lennox was just about done then as we know, but that would have been a huge risk. I've heard Roy say that on an interview on youtube. I'm for one minute suggesting that Lennox feared Roy in anyway, he just said that he had no intention of fighting anyone again. So all I'm saying is, it's odd that he'd duck Nunn (which we know he did) at 27/28 Collins at 27, but then when he's in his mid 30's he's approaching Tyson and Lennox. Doesn't make sense to me.

But once again, I'd like to thank you for your fantastic post, backed up with factual information. It was an absolute pleasure to read so thanks!

regards, Loudon.

 

Bailey,
Thanks for the reply. You've made some good points there. You're right, there was only 3 years between Roy and Joe, but the point I was making, was that Roy in my opinion was finished as a fighter four years before he fought Joe. Yes it was de valle who caught Roy in 1998. It was a good shot, although Roywasn't seriously hurt.

Tarver was/is a good fighter. And he would have caused Roy problems whenever he'd have fought him. But I just don't think he could have beaten him pre Ruiz. Like I say, in my opinion, because of the huge weight loss in only 8 months, Roy boxed at 70 per cent of his capabilities in the first fight. Tarver was always Jealous of Roy. He was fired up, hungry, and determined to beat Roy. He was in tip top shape and he was boxing at 100 per cent of his capabilities in my opinion.

Where as Roy on the other hand, Had been let down by the Tyson fight falling through, and he was extremely tired after he'd done nothing except run for months. Mentaly he wasn't up for the fight. He never thought he was only going to have one fight at heavy. He planned on having at least 2 or 3 fights there. In my opinion he moved up at completely the wrong time and came down way too soon.

But my point is, He wasn't up for the fight like Tarver was, he basically had to come back to 175 because his options were quite limited. So he wasn't up for it and after 8 rounds he'd run out of gas. So my thinking is, If Tarver couldn't beat the version of Roy that wasn't that interested and was extremely tired after 8 rounds, when he was at his best and up for it, then could have beaten Roy, when Roy was at his best. I don't think he could have.

I think if they'd have fought earlier, (if Tarver had hav've beaten Harding the 1st time) I think Roy would have beaten him. I honestly think Tarver just caught him at the right time, and I'm not talking about Tarver's knockout ha! I think Roy at 100 per cent, pre Ruiz, beats Tarver and easily beats Johnson. I'm not saying he had it easy with southpaws, I just think that at his best he would hve been too much for Tarver and Calzaghe. But the most frustrated I've ever seen Roy, was in his fight with Harding. He really did struggle there and Harding made it really hard work for him.

Keep up the good debate.

regards Loudon.

 

Apologies for the bad Grammar and spelling mistakes.

 

Last two posts by Loudon, excellent!

 

you know Failey hasnt watched any fights. He is the BoxRec Warrior . lol so obviouslyl he shouldnt be taken seriously. Its like that ******ed kid thats in your class. you just act nicely towards them. They will probably crap in their pants and all. You cant help but feel bad.

 

Recent history atleast, shows that whoever is or has been P4P in Boxing; always has a certain amount of hate towards them, and a general reluctance to accept how good they are or was.

I don't see how any Boxing fan can disrespect Roy Jones, or consider him anything less than great.

 

Then show that opinion which is reasonable, respectful and acceptable; instead of hoping on the Team Elite Cocksuckers bandwaggon.

Jones is similar to Calzaghe in the fact that his talent far outweighs his resume. He fails to crack the top 10 ATG list because of that but in terms of ability he must be a shoe in.