Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

Headbanger,

Haha! Thanks a lot mate! I'm looking forward to it. I'm loving it on here!

Regards, Loudon.

 

I see it as closer than alot of people would.

When Jones fought left handed fighters, he generally threw less shots than he usually would. (With the exception of Richard Hall) When you consider this, along with Calzaghe's work rate and own high skill level, it's conceivable that Calzaghe could be up on the cards after say four rounds.

This is where it gets intresting, because Roy Jones was a much smarter fighter than he's given credit for, I see him making the needed adjustments and starting to land more, the flip side of that coin is that Calzaghe was brilliant at making adjustments, so I see the fight then turning into something of a chess match, which would suit Jones and negate Calzaghe's volume punching.

Jones either stops Calzaghe very very late, or wins a close but clear decision. Roy Jones in his prime was special in my opinion, but Joe Calzaghe is not an easy fight for anybody in history and is criminally under-rated by some people.

115 - 113 Jones, (Clearly) or something like a 12th round TKO.

 

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You aint been watching RJJ fight you just been reading up on his boxrec, you probably didnt even know he was black until him and Calzaghe had that 24/7.

Maybe because you a fat**** you dont know about weight gain/loss, since all you been gaining is pure flab while surfing boxrec and watching Joe Calzaghe on strictly come dancing.

RJJ didnt gain fat while moving up to HW. He gained muscle, he didnt look like a chubby bear he looked musclar while in the ring with Ruiz. And within less than a year dropped straight down to LHW cutting all that muscle not fat.

If you think this wont affect any boxer, it may be because you aint used to muscle gain/loss but are just used to belly gain/loss.

Good to see now you have changed your tune on RJJ and have labelled him a Very good LHW. Looks like I have keyboard smacked some sense into you after all.

You need to really watch boxing instead of boxrec. Some fighters know how to deal with age, they would adapt to age like:-

- Use of boxing brain
- Relying on solid Chin
- Having KO power
- Rough house tactics
- Dirty fighting

Since a fighter can no longer rely on his physical attributes such as speed and reflexes, he would need to convert to other methods. Tarver always been old school and has a solid chin plus decent power so he can fight until old age. RJJ never showed any on those 5 points above other than KO power during his prime so age will affect him moreso. You seriously need to lay of the boxrec and watch some fights or get in some.

That highlight video is like a trailer of the movie, just because you seen the trailer dont mean you seen the movie. And just because you read the boxrec dont mean you seen the fight either

RJJ heavily relied on his reflexes, and losing major muscle without tune ups in between will affect his reflexes in a big way.

:-( Go and watch the fights son, I am not saying Tarver wasnt pumped, Tarver was one of the fighters that actually came in thinking he got a chance, because before that no one thought they got a chance vs RJJ.

RJJ in certain parts of the fight was able to do what he does, but couldnt continue doing it fulltime. That highlight video is bias towards RJJ, the whole fight would be better viewing.

Certain fights can adapt to age, certain fighters cant. I already explained. Some fights run away from the sport when they feel they no longer got the physical edge and retire. Some fighters show more to their game by continuing on.

This is also a valid point. Along with the other factors I think it outweighs the arguement that RJJ's losses were due to his competition stepping up, but it was more to do with the points I mentioned.

 

Prime Jones beats Calzaghe in a competitive fight. Even the completely shot version landed a few decent punches in the early rounds, and a lovely uppercut in the sixth.

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SJS19,

Thanks for the reply mate. I could definately go with what you have said. You have great knowledge. No doubt that Cazaghe was a great fighter and would pose problems. Like I said in my other post, Harding gave Roy a really hard fight before he had to withdraw. Roy was really frustrated that night. Getting back to Joe, I think Roy would have a huge psycholigical advantage going into the fight.

I think Joe would know that the cards were stacked against him and maybe he'd just go for it instead of sticking to a plan. I can see Roy playing to the crowd and goading Joe into a tear up in the centre of the ring. I think the first 4 to 5 rounds would be extremely cautious and hard to score. But once they're going at it in the centre of the ring, I think Roy catches him Joe often used to leave himself open.

I don't know if you've heard Richie Woodhall's comments on a potential fight between them? I saw it a few weeks ago on youtube. It was after the Woods fight, when they went back to the studio to discuss what had happened. Richie said that Joe would definately test him at Super Middle, but not at light heavy.

regards, Loudon

 

realsoulja,

You aint been watching RJJ fight you just been reading up on his boxrec, you probably didnt even know he was black until him and Calzaghe had that 24/7.

Haha! That was so funny, I couldn't stop laughing haha!

Tarver's age keeps getting brought up here. Roy and Antonio are exactly the same age, but what you've got to take into consideration apart from the dramatic weight loss, is Tarver didn't turn pro until he was about 27 years old. Roy fought in 88 Olympics and Tarver fought in the 96 olympics. Roy went into the Tarver fight at something like 48/49-1. I think that was Roy's 50th fight.

I don't know how many fights Tarver had had by that point, but I think his record today is something like 29-6. So obviously he aged alot better. The other thing that makes me mad about Tarver is, He used his famous quote "you got any excuses tonight Roy" after Roy had said that the weight loss had seriously affected him after the first fight.

Then after Tarver had comeback down in weight, from playing Mason Dixie in Rocky Balboa to fight Hopkins, he used the exact same so called excuse. He then also claimed that he'd been poisoned during the fight. In my opinion he just caught Roy at the right time. Also, for all the people that don't think Roy's weight loss had anything to do with his losses to Tarver and Johnson, you're affectively saying that he just lost to Glencoffe, because he was a better fighter.

Pre-Ruiz, Glencoffe Johnson has virtually no chance of beating Roy in my opinion.

 

You're more than welcome, I love debating things with polite posters who are open minded and know what their on about.

It's intresting to me that Woodhall said that, he fought Calzaghe as a pro and Jones as an amatuer so his opinion does garner some weight. I disagree with him actually, it would be different if Joe was a small SMW but he was the opposite, 175 wouldn't of been a bad fit on his frame IMO. Jones always considered himself a small LHW to my knowlege and even talked about going back to 168 at some point.

Harding was a limited fighter in my eyes but he fought very well, if I remember right his cut man was Al Gavin that night, who did a fantastic job given the circumstances.

Joe hit faster, harder and more accurate and often than Harding in my eyes but his un-doing would be his willingness to fight fire with fire and I also don't doubt that if Byron Mitchell can drop and hurt Joe, then Roy could finish him.

If it was Jones at the time of the Clinton Woods fight, then I'd give Joe a real shout of winning, I don't know if you saw it or not, but Jones apperared to of slipped in that fight?

Your sophisticated style of posting makes me think I should close with the following :

Sincerely SJS19 (Scott)

Manners are so rare on this forum!)

 

Saluted

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SJS19,

Hi mate, thanks for the reply. As I said earlier, it's been an absolute pleasure debating with you. This is why I joined this forum. You certainly know your stuff, like Zod. Now because of your great knowledge, I just wondered if I could ask you some more questions if you don't mind? (this is turning into an interview ha!) If you're busy, then maybe another time, but if you can, could you give me your opinion on the following questions? It would be very much appreciated.

1. Roy vs The G-Man, what would have happened?

2. James Toney at his best vs Joe at his best at super middle, what would have happened?

3. What do you think of Mike McCallum? I've been watching some old footage recently, and I can't believe how good he was. I've seen the Micheal Watson fight among others, and I think he could have given Roy a hell of a fight when he was younger. An absolutley fantastic fighter!

Many thanks!

Loudon.

 

The reason he was stripped was because the WBC reinsteated Jones as their champ after he vacated and pursued a fight with Buster Douglas .Rochi won the belt but was later stripped after Jones decided to return to the division ,Yes it was unfair so the only way to settle this was to do it in the ring !

Jones agreed to fight Rochi but guess who pulled out !He opted to go the legal route instead of fighting Jones ! Was that to complicated for you or :good


See unlike you I know the details concerning the two unlike you who tries to peice together **** with the help of boxing rec and your little band of haters .. Your long ass posts won't save you this time !

 

Damn Imperial, calm down. Never stomp a dude when he's down!