Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

Stop saying nice things Thankyou, but like I said; there's no need to thank me, I enjoy the debate/discussion with people like you, it's why I joined :good

I'm not a huge fan of the G-man, he was an awful human being. That said I respect all fighters for doing what they do, and nobody deserves to end up the way he has. When I used to Box, twice I considered quitting altogether, one was after seeing Mcclellan, the other was Ali.

I think Roy would never of fought him. He had great respect for G, and I don't think he was certain that he could beat him. Also if I understand correctly, GM was a Don King fighter, and would of wanted future options on Jones, something Roy would avoid at all costs.

If they did fight, I assume it would be at 168. H2H I don't see anyone at Super Middleweight who could deal with Roy. It was his perfect weight class, I'd expect Roy to win a wide UD in what would be a boring fight. Boring because Roy would seek to neautralise GM's strengths before employing his own. Safety first would be Roy's mindset IMO, stay out of harms way, and land eye catching shots when it'd be safe to do so. Win this one, worry about looking sensational in the next. This is only an assumption, GM was slightly before my time.
I'm curious what you think here?

Toney if he shows up in shape, and mentally in tune would stop Joe in my opinion. The straight right hand would land all fight long. Very few people know how to fight like JT. It's a shame he has 0 discipline because his skill set is one of the best ever. I'd stress that Toney showing up in peak form would probably happen 2 out of 10 times, and if he's anything less than peak he gets slapped half way to hell by Calzaghe who leaves him for dust in the stamina and work rate departments.

I'm sorry, I don't know much on McCalum so rather than give you a bluffed answer I'll bow out.

Now a few for you if you wouldn't mind please :thumbsup

The way that you write has me wondering how old you are?
Have you Boxed before?
Jones, Hopkins, Calzaghe and Toney ; in terms of accomplishment, which order would you rank them?

Many thanks,

Scott.

 

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:dead This troll has been making the same thread for so many years now.

You don't like black American fighters, we get it, have you got ANYTHING else to say on this forum???

 

Its so simple with jones, styles make fights and tarver had the answer, in the rematch when his chin got expsosed, that was it for roy, none of this bull**** weigh loss ****, roy said it was 20lbs, it wasnt even close to that, people need to stop believing what boxers say when they loose.. I believe manny stewert said it all when he got koed again, when you get knocked out like that close together, you dont have a chin left. By the time roy got to Joe, he was done, well and truely at elite level. So yes I think he started loosing when his competition stepped up, along now with age, reflexes and speed have slowed, the things that basically made up his style. The tarver fight was a turning point that there was no way he would be the same again.

 

It's nice to see real boxing discussion break out in the middle of a Roy Jones trolling points thread. SJS is always good to see in a thread for real boxing talk and Loudon is adding a lot of knowledge to the discussion.

 

Hmm noticed this aswell, I think a big part of it is to try and get his slappy hero some praise some how, but with a roy jones thread will never get that. Jones was way way passed it when joe got to him, joe knows this too. Nice easy pay day. Nice looking record... win win for joe, which was good buisness on his part admittedly.

 

His body got old, going up to HW and then taking muscle off to come back down in weight slowed him down.

As a fighter who heavily relied on being a physical and athletic freak, once he started to slow down it was always gonna happen. Thats why he should have had the brain to realise that his time was up and retire on top (after Tarver 1).

 

Thanks! Jesus all these compliments, might have to PM Gander Tasco just to get insulted!

Same question to you please buddy :

Jones, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Toney. How do you rank them based on achivement?

 

Yeah because its a scientific fact that roids make you have super human speed and reflexes. And make you punch harder and avoid almost every punch thrown your way.

And roids definitely improve your vision to see the openings to land punches and avoid them too.

Its science!:-(

 

theres 3 former pound for pound no 1s on that list !

 

I don't get why Calz fans(many not all might I add) feel the need to constantly bash Roy though when they fight Calz won and Calz himself admitted he was facing a shell. We all need to question Roy's resume yes but to say the guy wasn't a great talent is ridiculous. Lets also not ignore that your resume defines you as a fighter and as harsh as I sound that keeps Jones from being an ATG though H2H he's a beast prime for prime and he did have a truly great career unlike Calz imo. I do have no extreme sympathy for him disgracing himself in recent time but you have to admit it's pitiful seeing any fighter fall so far from the top(other than a few like SRR who was a horrible person). I don't think Calz would have a chance prime for prime but that's another discussion.

Jones declined and Johnson & Tarver caught him at the right time. Tarver had his chance to fight Roy sooner but blew it against Harding, his fault. Both would be beaten but Tarver puts up a decent showing and Johnson gets beaten with ease and claims robbery as usual.(With the last part I kidd, I kidd)

I like the resposes of luf, sjs, and imp1 as usual. Pops I admire your sense of humor and loudon don't let simpletons keep you from having a good time here. The guys I just named(well popkins when he doesn't have an agenda lol) are solid posters and I'm also a guy to have insightful discussions with.

 

By and large Jones did not take risks in the super-middleweight and Light-Heavyweight divisions. Hopkins had not accomplished much when he fought Jones, and needed another two attempts to win a world title. Toney was a very good win, however James was not in great shape, and barely showed up to that fight, very favourable circumstances for Roy.

If Jones is one of the best pound for pound fighters of all time, he should have travelled to other countries and fought the best opposition there as well, not just stay in his own backyard and duke it out with Rick Frazier, Bryant Brannon, Tony Thornton, Glen Kelly, Antoine Byrd and Vinny Pazienza, then call himself great.

Why are you bringing up Calzaghe? Joe beat the man in two different divisions, something Roy never did. Calzaghe comes up because Bailey asked the question, ' Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?' Roy was on a three fight winning streak against his usual pre-Ruiz level of competition, then got destroyed by Joe in a boxing contest, not from a one punch KO like against Tarver. Calzaghe stands a far better chance than Rick Frazier, Bryant Brannon, Tony Thornton, Glen Kelly, Antoine Byrd and Vinny Pazienza, or do you think these were legitimate opposition?

 

Yes sir you are.

Jones - Calzaghe is very comprable to Lewis - Tyson IMO.

Both guys wanted the scalp of the man who was the number one fighter in their era, and by the time they got the oppertunity to do that, all that was left was a shell. Seeing as it was both winners final or near final fight, I don't blame either for doing it.

 

I blame Calz for facing Jones and seeing it as a credible win. Also dismissing Dawson who would not have been a much better win at the time then Kessler when he fought him but much better than Jones! I don't consider Calz great and I'm questioning whether I should consider Roy great either. Beating solid composition does more for me than freakish talent. Hard work beats natural gifts because guys like Hops and JMM weren't athletic monsters so they had to work very hard to get where they are now for instance. And RJJ just wasn't tested enough imo.

 

So you blame Calzaghe for not taking a massive risk when he was a shot blown up SMW, but don't seem to hold anything against Roy for taking even worse fights when he was at his prime?

 

Roy I think was great, but ruined his own legacy by fighting on too long. He ruined his own greatness. Had he of stopped after tarver one? He would be great. IMO he should have stopped after ruiz.