Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

Come off your high horse, and re-read the mans post please.

 

Please dont say Joe was taking a risk with fighting Roy, thats an insult to Joe in the biggest possible way.

 

The only liar here is you. Stop making **** up. It wasn't Rocchigianni who pulled the plug on that fight.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/fw10899.htm

"According to insiders, HBO definitely did not express any interest in making Jones-Rocchigiani. From a legal standpoint, Jones-Rocchigiani would have conflicted with HBO's annual budget and thus was scratched. Following a financial breakdown of all incoming proceeds generated from the net revenues from all parties involved in making the deal Rocchigiani would have received a guaranteed $1.5 million. Multiply that by $1.8 which is the value of the German Duetch Mark in Germany to the single U.S. dollar - Rocchigiani would have brought home a pretty nice payday. That's a hell of a lot more than Jones would have received ($1 million) - Not including deductions!
There is no way Jones settles for less money fighting an opponent that anyone here in America knows anything about."

You can also stop claiming DM ducked Del Valle. Better still, stop posting.
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:barf I knew you loved Calzaghe very deeply but I thought it was as a fan but now you indicating you are a homo.

The respect I had for Team Elite just fell sharply for employing a ***.

I already explained this, but this new guy Loudon explains it alot better here:-

I never said RJJ's weight loss was the full problem. This always happens, you always crawl back to agree with my initial points when you realise the pwnage I am inflicting is too much. Look at my initial points in this thread carefully and look how I said about 30 pages earlier what you are claiming now. :smoke

See how you coming to agreement with me after failing earlier hence the name failey gets thrown around.

Maybe, IMO PEDS will be only useful for short term purposes and would seriously affect someone in the long run.

Look earlier you indicated you are a homo, so I am sorry to say but I feel quiet insecure to tell you about muscle gain so please refrain from such things.

I would beat the shid outta all the team elite members and fans and that davro guy with jabs alone, I dont need to get into this. I wouldnt mind organising such event I would touch fists before and after the brawl like gentlemen.

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Where he criticises Joe for fighting Roy instead of Chad Dawson? Joe was a shot, blown up SMW who'd already taken a big enough risk in fighting the lineal champion at 175 and beating him, Roy never did this. It's hypocritical in that Roy spent his time at the top of the game ducking the likes of Chad Dawson.

 

Please point out to me where I said this? I said, how can you criticise Joe for not fighting Chad Dawson, at the end of his career above his prime weight, when Roy spent his time at the top of the game ducking dangerous competitors, instead fighting sub-standard fighters and calling himself great.


By the way I didn't come in here to discuss Joe Calzaghe, it's others that keep bringing him up to deflect attention away from the pertinent points being made to expose Roy.

 

My bad man, misunderstood what you had said. :good

 

Why so serious? Lighten up and look at the bolded part. Oh and Calz shot hahahahaha, what the hell was Jones when him and Calz fought then? No problems for him facing Hops as he was/is the man at LHW but fighting a younger man in Dawson would be an unreasonable fight to make for him? Why because Dawson wasn't an old man? It was a winnable fight but he chose a dead man in Jones instead. I admitted it wouldn't be that much better than the Kessler win if any better at all but better than Jones by far.

And look at the first part of my first post in here why I brought up Calz

 

No worries Great avatar by the way, Tommy Hearns was a warrior, and a legend in every sense of the word!

 

RJJ was ducking Dawson atschatsch

Chad Dawson was a tougher task than Shot RJJ

1. Chad Dawson was ranked higher than Roy Jones Jr at the time
2. Chad Dawson was a belt holder at LHW while Roy Jones Jr wasnt
3. RJJ was shot while Chad was/is peaking/peaked.
4. Chad Dawson went on to beat Glen Johnson and Tarver who both cracked RJJ's Chin before Calzaghe layed slaps on him.
5. I aint bothered continuing
6. Read 1 again

Calzaghe was coming of his two greatest victories in Kessler and Hopkins. How was he shot. His hands were shot but Calzaghe still had good workrate and never been through any wars in his career since Pudwills and Thornberries couldnt give wars.

Calzaghe himself found it easier to make the LHW limit than the SMW limit, how was he bloated.

 

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Its no secret Calzaghe wanted to cash out and obviously knew he would make more money vs RJJ than any other fighter, (except for maybe a british clash with Froch). So Calzaghe cashing out aint a problem.

But to suggest that the RJJ Calzaghe beat was good or was tougher than the competition available, thats just pure bull****.

 

I'm not that serious, I'm just passing time on Sunday night talking about boxing :thumbsup

I just think it's a bit harsh to hold Dawson against Joe. At that point of his career, Joe's hands were in terrible shape, it was clear that at 36 years old he was well past his best, no question. He took the fight against Roy because it was lucrative, and a chance to enjoy himself before bowing out at the top of the game. Many criticise Joe for who he fought throughout his career, yet Joe was lineal champion in two divisions and beat the man twice, in consecutive fights. These are things Roy did not accomplish in his career, instead in his prime he fought questionable opposition.

 

Thanks soulja! He's right to criticize Roy's resume but I think he made excuses saying Calz was "blown up" or "shot" when Jones was far worse when him and Calz fought. Roy's fault for signing the contract but Calz admitted he was shot and wanted no part of Dawson who was younger and a much better fighter at the time. Roy brought money and cashing out is no problem but to act like Dawson wasn't a better fighter than Jones at the time is silly to me.

 

I think you need to re-read my posts.

Can you not see the difference between a prime Calzaghe, and the Calzaghe that fought Hopkins and RJJ? How was RJJ shot when he fought Tarver? Against Ruiz Roy weighed 193 pounds, on fight night as a LHW, Roy weighed up to 188 pounds. What if I asked you how was Roy shot when he fought Glen Johnson, only 18 months after his defining win against John Ruiz? He still had superior speed and hand speed, and had never been through any wars since Glen Kelly, Derrick Harmon and Eric Harding 'couldn't give wars'. He was bloated because his best weight was clearly 168, where he spent the best years of his career, not 175.

 

Joe was smart to fight Jones over Dawson anyways, as far as his legacy goes he needed some one like jones on his record, jones may have been shot when they fought but hes a former great, boxing is a buisness first sport.... Joe made a good bit of money out of it, not to mention put a good name on his record.