Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

Nobody will rank Calzaghe higher than Jones. Nobody!

 

The man won a 31 million dollar lawsuit ,why fight Jones for 1 or 2 mill I don't blame him for pulling out ..But this clown would lead you to beleive Jones did the ducking

 

PART 1:

My take on that fight:

Power: Jones
Handspeed: Jones
Footspeed: Jones

Jab: Calzaghe
-Jones had the better jab(see Ruiz fight), but he didnt use it. Calzaghe jab was not that good from a technical stand point. He seemed to 'paw it out'' rather that 'snap it'.
Lead Offense: Calzaghe
-Jones again was better offensively (see Griffin II), but he preferred to play the role of the counter puncher and use his opponents agression against them.
Counterpunching: Jones
Defense: Jones
Footwork: Jones

Workrate: Equal

Blueprint fights: Calzaghe never fought anyone close to Jones, but he struggled greatly with Reid who was no were near Jones's level

Jones fought Reggie Johnson (past prime) who was a southpaw with comparable reach to Calzaghe. He was able to land right hand leads and Counter left hooks over Reggie Johnson right jabs.

Stylistic advantage: Jones
It would be much easier for Jones to prepare for Calzaghe, than it would be for Calzaghe to prepare for Jones.

It should also be pointed out that Stylewise Calzaghe would be tailor made for Jones. An agressive voulme puncher is the kind of opponent Jones prefered, because he can then use the agreesion against them

Calzaghe's options:
Win by Ko:
Calzaghe wasnt a puncher and Jones defense would give him problems
Win by outboxing Jones:
Calzaghe couldnt even put together a game plan to outbox Reid, so I cant see how he going to put a plan together to beat Jones
Cazaghe by outworking Jones:
This would be Calzaghe's best chance. Just to outwork and outland Jones. The problem with this is that he would have to constanly come forward which would open him up to Jones counterpunches, which in turn would make him reluctant to constanly come forward

Jones options:
win by ko:
Very Likely. Jones hit harder than Mitchell, Salem and Hopkins. He also would have a lot of success with right hand leads which Calzaghe tended to be vunerable to. See Woodhall and Reid fights
Win by outboxing Calzaghe:
Possible. If you are able to put together plans which allow you to beat Johnson, Toney and Hopkins, then you could most probably put together a plan to beat Calzaghe


Jones late stoppage - is the most likely outcome

 

PART 2:

Around 2000 ****** approached Jones about a fight with Calzaghe. ****** wanted Jones to drop down a weight class and fight for Calzaghe's smw belt.

There was a number of potential problems:
1: No one in America knew who Calzaghe was
2: Jones refused to fight outside of America
3: If it took place in England then they would have to fight in the early morning so HBO could view it at prime time in America

The only realistic chance the fight had of happeneing was if Calzaghe came to America. Calzaghe would of had to fight on some Jones's undercards so that Americans would have a chance to see him

Lou Dibella (HBO)

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If Calzaghe really wanted the fight, then he would of done just that, instead he wanted Jones to come to England. So Jones basically killed it by demanding a ridicoulous amount of money.

 

I've followed Jones' career since he boxed Hopkins the first time you ****ing child.

 

So you believe Rocchigianni could foresee the future and instead of boxing Jones, purposely pulled out of the fight (which he didn't), to file a lawsuit which he knew would guarantee to bring in tens of millions? You absolute spastic.

Jones was due to receive even less than Rocchigianni, which is why HBO canceled the fight the first chance they got.

As for Jones - he's proved his ducking credentials throughout his whole career. It's irrefutable unless you're a blind Jones fanboy.

 

Who did Roy duck? Don't just reel names off, tell us who he should have fought and why you think he didn't.

 

Sorry, I forgot to mention the Ingles in that message I sent you!

Wow, even to just sit and watch would of been a brilliant experiance. The Ingles are one of the top two training gyms in the UK in my opinion, along with Mark and Jimmy Tibbs. The switch hitting style than Brendan taught was wonderful, really something to watch. I really do think Kell Brook will be the best of the lot.

 

Zod, absolutely fantastic analysis. Many thanks! I'll give you a proper reply later.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Hi Scott, it would have been amazing! Herod graham would have been at his peak then and naz would have been a young lad. I'll reply in full later mate, I can't at the moment.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Herol graham, sorry!

 

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why they didnt fight, its all there

 

realsoulja,

Hi mate! The battle of the Ego's! "60/40 I kick yo ass!" Ha! "It look like two kinda cats, that don't know what the hell they talkin bout to me!" Hillarious!

It's a real shame that fight didn't come off. All they had to do, was come to the same agreement that they came to when they finally fought in 2010. 60% to the winner, 40% to the loser, and 50% if it's a draw. That's all they had to do. Although in the rematch in 2010, it was 60% to the winner by knockout only, not just a points win.

But the thing is, Roy was the pound for pound number 1 fighter in the World, and he already had a win over Bernard. How could Bernard expect to get the majority of the purse? There's no way he could expect a bigger share. If he'd got the win over Roy in 93, and was the number 1 fighter in the world, then he could have and definately would have demanded the bigger share.

Hopkins later told everyone that he was desperate for the fight, but couldn't get it. That is absolutely ridiculous! Because if he hadn't have demanded the bigger percentage, the fight could have been made. If he really wanted it, he'd have let Roy have the biggest percentage, what he was entitled to. So I don't think he really wanted the fight. Roy wasn't that bothered either. He only considered it because of the pressure from the fans.

He was fighting at 175, two weight divisions above Hopkins, and he already had a win over him and he didn't like him. He was never going to accept less or even half of the purse, to move down in weight to fight a guy who he's already beaten. So I blame Hopkins for the fight not coming off. I think if they had've fought then, I think Roy would ahve won on points again in a lacklustre fight.

 

Hi Zod,

Sorry for the late reply mate. That was great analysis by you, and I agree with everything that you've said. That was a brilliant breakdown, thanks! I'd never heard of that Lou Debella quote before. After the Woods fight, Roy was interviewed back stage. I don't know if you've seen it? They asked him what was happening next, and he said, either Tarver or Calzaghe, but he was trying to get a John Ruiz fight.

I think as soon as Murrad Muhammad gave him the green light for Ruiz, I don't think he gave a seconds thought about Joe at that point. Joe was a obviously a better fighter than Ruiz, but Ruiz was the bigger challenge and he wanted to make history. Like you say, nobody outside of the U.K. knew who Joe was. It would have a huge fight from our point of view, but not for anyone living in the U.S. Joe should have gone to the U.S. earlier, built up a fan base and showcased his talents.

Then there might have been some interest on both sides of the pond. But I lose respect for Joe, when he tells people that he tried to get a Roy Jones fight, and Roy wasn't interested. You then have people saying, Joe was too dangerous, it was high risk, low reward for Roy. Absolute nonsense in my opinion! Joe never did anything to secure that fight. He had no intentions of going to the U.S., he had no intentions of going upto 175 despite starving himself to make super middle to fight B class opponents, and he never publicly called out Roy at any point.

Then you have his famous quote "I'd give him the best fight he's ever had, but I know what my capabilities are and i'd want the crown jewels for that fight" Deep down he knew he couldn't beat him, and he didn't really want the fight. But why doesn't he just be honest like Eubank was? It's all bravado. I think it's shocking that he tells reporters he was up for the fight but Roy wasn't bothered and it couldn't get made. He's basicaly implying that Roy ducked him, and then everyone believes him who hears or reads the interview.

Then you have his autobiography. He states that Roy is done and there would be no point in fighting him at this point. (2006) Then 2 years later, apparently Roy's been rejuvenated with 3 great wins against Amaju, Hanshaw and Trinidad. He then beats him and then calls himself "The Legend Killer" That left a nasty taste in the mouth. A points win over a near 40 year old fighter that's been knocked out by Glencoffe Johnson 4 years previously. Joe at the time could have fought Kelly Pavlik, but had no intentions of fighting him. It was a cheap win, trying to make up for lost time. But most people can see the win for what it really was.

Once again, thanks for your great post.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Scott, Hi mate thanks for the great message. I can't e-mail you back at the moment, because apparently I have to have 50 posts before I can send one. I've only got another 10 to go, so i'll send you a message soon mate.

thanks! Loudon.