Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    :clap: Well done you spotted my deliberate testing mistake. Whine :patsch.
    Still one was a letter missed out and the other was the completely wrong word used. Major difference and hardly pwnage.

    You Pavlik'ed me?? What with this reply? :lol: Where I showed you how you had called Jones Jnr a paper champ. I just showed how you pwned yourself in a major way.

    Ive got to ask, but why are you crumbling so much lately? You used to come on here with the insults and now seem to be getting hurt.
    If you want to keep it civilised, then I fine, say, and we can cut out the insults and keep it respectful. But if not, stop getting so upset or I will have to get a new sparring partner who can keep pace
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe also said all of this

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    6:45 in. "For 2 years Calzaghe has chased pound for pound number one Roy Jones, but to no avail".
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    *THIS VIDEO IS ON YOUTUBE: 'Roy Jones jr looks ahead to Calzaghe'*

    Steve Bunce: When did Joe first pop up in a conversation?

    Roy Jones: When he beat Chris Eubank I started watching him then.

    Steve Bunce: 1997

    Roy Jones: I knew it then...but he then kinda backed down on the opponents he was fighting so I RELEASED THE IDEA OF IT [fighting Joe].

    So Jones admits he was aware of Joe early on, but wasn't interested in fighting him.


    BBC, 21st November 2001.
    "It's all very well being the best in the world, but you need big names for big fights," he reflects.

    A fight with the Eric Lucas, the WBC champion, is a possibility, but unification fights are notoriously hard and expensive to arrange.

    As is a bout with Roy Jones.

    "To be honest I'm getting quite fed up with it," Calzaghe said.

    A bout against the undisputed light heavyweight champion has been the subject of ongoing speculation.

    "It's difficult because of the different networks involved. He's with HBO and I'm with Showtime - that's a massive obstacle in itself.

    "Secondly, you've got to ask yourself whether Roy Jones would want to fight me.
    "At the moment he picks his own opponents, fights the easiest guys he can and gets a lot of money for beating them.

    "I'm dangerous and I can take the mega money out of his pocket. Why would he want to fight me?


    Jones himself made the statement that he did not go fight him because it was too risky be it in the UK or states...he stated that on National TV while commentating on Calzaghe/Hopkins those words exactly get a copy of the fight and find out yourself....If Jones said it himself then any argument you have is out the window because Jones stated nothing about why should I have...I was ranked #1 he was ranked # whatever he said...IT WAS TOO RISKY FOR ME AT THAT TIME ESPECIALLY IF I HAD TO GO TO THE UK... he added nothing in on it....


    roy jones the man who fought Richard Frazier the part time cop and then bragged about his greatness afterward....

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    Former four-division champion Roy Jones Jr, speaking with The Sunday Times, responded to Joe Calzaghe's recent claim of chasing Jones for several years and being brushed aside. Calzaghe spoke with The Sunday Mirror and appeared to have some newfound hostility when Jones' name came up.

    "I spent five or six years chasing Jones and he acted like he never even knew my name," said Calzaghe. "Suddenly, I beat Hopkins in Vegas and Jones wants to be my neighbor - it's ridiculous. If a fight with Jones made sense from a cash point of view, then it could happen, but he is notorious for asking for too much money."

    Jones says that he viewed Calzaghe as a possible opponent several years ago, but at the time he saw no reason to travel to Wales to chase the fight. Now that Calzaghe is the bigger star, Jones is willing to make the fight anywhere.

    “I saw Joe as a potential opponent a long time ago,” Jones said. “But I had my eyes on higher things, such as winning the heavyweight title, so it was nothing against Joe, I love everything about him. He’s a fun guy, an entertaining guy, a good person. We took some pictures together with his sons after the fight on Saturday and we’ve talked on the phone. But boxing is business. When I was the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world it wouldn’t have been smart for me to go and fight Joe.

    ”You don’t go to somebody else when you’re the best, they must come to you, so I wouldn’t take the risk, and why would I? Why would I meet that challenge when I’m already the best? Why would I go to your country and give you a chance to allow the powers that be to take a close decision and give it to you?"

    Jones says a fight with Calzaghe is the best fight in boxing, even better than a possible rematch between Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr, scheduled for September.

    “But right now this is the best fight out there, better than the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather rematch because we all know what the outcome of that fight is going to be – another win for Floyd. You don’t know the outcome of this fight, however, so it’s a fight people are going to want to see. There’s suspense, and that’s what makes for a big fight," Jones says.

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  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thats a very good post
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    So SImperial and Kissdatass couldnt answer the questions that were put to them.
    Well it looks like you two have now been well and truly found out and run off of this thread :hi:
     
  5. AnotherFan

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    Point taken.

    But I would need to go in depth with the accusations to know excacly how much of a cheater Roy Jones really was. His defenders keep mumbling something about the test showing he had took andronylon, which was forbidden in the state at the time, but in fact was ineffective and sold over desk.

    This might be true, but it smells a bit like bull****. As far as I know, the initial tests dont show WHAT you have taken, it shows THE EFFECT of it. This goes along with what was written in the letter to Jones from the institution that had tested him, talking about abnormal LEVEL (not pointing out what specifik steroid that had caused it) and asking for additional tests.

    To be honest, I cant be bothered to geek into it.
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Where you mention Toney. He was able to win a world title when he was found guilty of peds and then stripped. After that he looked lucky against Rahman, lost to Peter and had another tough fight with an unknown HW. In fact I cant really recall him doing well at HW again.
     
  7. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dont be making coward moves like bailey now, you got something to say to someone, quote em.
     
  8. Joe.Boxer

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    No, there is no flaw in my argument whatsoever you cabbage. He was a paper champion just like Johnson, Guthrie etc were paper champions. They were nothing more than contenders. The WBA/IBF titles rightfully belonged to the world champion - DM. Period. If you didn't have the brain the size of one of Jones' tiny roid-shrunken testicles, you'd understand this.

    It's clear you still don't even understand what a paper champion is. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound not even understanding what you're trying to argue, despite it being repeatedly spelled out to you? Hint - it's the reason you are hopelessly wrong. You complete and utter mouth breathing clown.


    This is the dumbest, most hypocritical thing you could possibly type. You are absolutely ******ed, and the biggest joke on this forum. Period.


    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Oh, now Jones has as much right to the Lineal title as DM? You complete ****ing moron.

    "The only difference is DM beat hill"?? In other words the DM actually fought and beat the Lineal champion, thus becoming champion himself. Jones chose to remain the No1 challenger and remain a paper champion at 175lbs. He never boxed a Linear or unified champion in his entire career. You complete ****ing vegetable. HILL VS MASKE WAS FOR THE VACANT LINEAL CHAMPIONSHIP, YOU COMPLETE ****ING BRAINDEAD WINDOW LICKING CABBAGE. You really are the dumbest ****ing turd ever to disgrace this forum.:lol::lol::lol::lol:



    No. Stop lying you piece of ****. I did NO back peddling whatsoever.You are so ****ing stupid you misunderstood a simple sentence I typed about Guthrie, which everyone else understood clearly. Now in desperation you're hopelessly trying to cling on to this fake straw man argument and have gotten yourself into a complete mess. ******

    Yes you did, you lying piece of ****. You have NOTHING to back this up.
    He was one of the top two contenders you ****ing moron.

    No, YOU are too ****ing stupid for words. I am absolutely killing you here, and I've reduced you to a complete laughing stock on this forum. You're finished here.

    That's why everyone here can see I'm right, and you are making a complete and utter fool of yourself.

    IMPERIAL1 = COMPLETELY ****ING DESTROYED YET AGAIN

    :vonnecunt
     
  9. Imperial1

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    I don't even know why you decided to chime in on this in the first place ..Your as delusional as your boyfriend you don't run **** expect your mouth with long as jibber jabber !Plus I don't debate groupies ..:nutcase
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Still hung up on me. Get over it
     
  11. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, there are posters who come to ESB to participate and learn from boxing debates. Me, to be honest dont mind any kind of debate or personal insults, but when boxing knowledge is concerned I am trying to put a barrier beween the two.

    Either way, whether its a boxing debate or a insult thrown around, I have no difficulty in lashing out a pwnage. You have been going for the KO punch for a while now and been missing badly, I have just been carrying you since everything you got is ineffective.

    But I know you pretty well, you know in a civilised boxing discussion you have absolute no chance, and you have been owned thoroughly so I have just used some switch hitting to keep you from changing topics and running away into hibernation as you did earlier.

    Me and you had a fight earlier in this thread, the topic was regarding RJJ's losses. Where I started showboating in whooping you, thus your ran away into hibernation to come back and change the topic to your advantage, so I am just playing it cool for the time being.
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Your're making a complete fool of yourself now, by dodging the questions posed.
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    What bit do you disagree with?

    Michalczewski was stripped of his WBA LHW title that he won
    Michalczewski had to lose his IBF LHW title also due to being forced to have to defend his title within 30 days when he has just fought the LHW champ
    Michalczewski beat Rocchigiani who was wrongly stripped of his WBC LHW title, a title which was just handed to Jones when he said he wanted it back, even though Rocchigiani fairly won the title after beating a fighter Jones wouldnt fight for years. So here Jones was just handed the WBC title.
    Jones was just handed The Ring belt that he didnt beat the champ for.

    What do you disagree with? Michalczewski beat the man. Jones didnt.

    Disputed undisputed championsIf a fighter wins all the titles but is stripped by one organization of its title, he may continue to be considered the undisputed champion.

    To become the lineal champ you either have to beat the champ or if the title is vacant, the numbers 1 & 2 have to meet, sometimes the #1 & 3 are accepted. Of course this is a Ring magazine system.

    Maske and Hill fought to decide who became the champ (Hill). Michalczewski beat the winner (Hill), so Dariusz was the lineal champ.
    Jones only picked up the paper titles.
    Now when I say paper titles its like J C Chavez Jnr is a world champ, but hes not the man at MW, thats Martinez who was stripped of his WBC title.
    Does that help you understand??


    Be honest Imperial. If you cannot answer, dont shame yourself anymore just admit that and grow up
     
  13. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Solid post.

    But at least there has been some understanding developing.

    RJJ didnt need PED's to be a great or an ATG. If Bernard Hopkins had take the same suppliments RJJ had taken, BHop would have still be using dirty tactics and grappling moves in the ring. And if Joe Calzaghe had taken the same suppliments as RJJ, Calzaghe still would have been a high workrate fighter with slapping action.

    What I was saying is, the RJJ is a steroid cheat is blown way out of proportion.
     
  14. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Regarding Toney, I already mentioned to your fellow Team Elite General HEADBANGER, that he has already up to date knowledge on the fighter that is James Toney. I dont really need to tell HEADBANGER anything about James Toney because HEADBANGER probably can do a PHD in the subject.

    Thats like me teaching Calzaghe how to slap.

    So I dont understand why you need to involve yourselve in this discussion that is regarding the affect of PED use, this aint about James Toney's boxrec now man.
     
  15. HEADBANGER

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    that is true, the 1st test showed that jones had 6 times the normal amount of testosterone in his system, indiana state twice demanded roy give a 2nd test and he ignored them on both occasions. roys attorney 4 weeks after the inital test then released a statement claiming it was due to ripped fuel and nasal spray.

    when indiana state set up this pilot scheme, jones thought the testing was for stimulants and not steroids. roy refusing to twice give a 2nd test is certainly not the action of someone trying to clear his name. indiana state steroid tester jacob hall stated that there was no evidence the result was caused by ripped fuel (this was simply a line / excuse peddled by the jones camp) and that they wished to prosecute jones, but there was no law in place to convict drug cheats in american boxing matches untill 2002 when testing became mandatory accross the country.

    this was the 1st time that roy jones was ever tested for steroids in his entire professional career.