Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

Imperial1 = SCHOOLED AND OWNED AGAIN.

 

Yes, you are, you PITIFUL, utterly stupid lying cretin. I have completely destroyed you on every single point in this debate, so you have resorted to continously making up fake straw man arguments with your pathetic little 'misunderstandings' to argue against something I NEVER even said.

If you had any common sense whatsoever, you'd realize I was referring to Maske vs Hill crowning a new Lineal champion, and now I've spelled it out you are still denying it, so stop lying. This is the THIRD time you've blatantly tried to lie. I know you are desperate here, but this is getting pathetic.

WRONG AGAIN. Spinks beat Qawi to win the vacant Lineal title. Jones never fought for the Lineal title, and 2 of his 3 titles were bogus paper titles.

Major difference, you window licking spastic.

No, FACT. Jones never even defeated a legit title holder, or a Lineal, or unified champion at 175lbs before he moved up. He simply picked up paper trinkets. That is the DEFINITION of a paper champion.

Only by ******s like you. DM was top 3, then top 2 after Maske retired, and as a kick in your balls, brought the WBO title. His fight with Hill only cemented the Lineage further.

YOU are the only one resorting to making stuff up because you're losing the debate so badly.

Yeah, because I've just completely exposed you yet again. All you can do is try to create fake straw man arguments in hope of actually winning an exchange. You're a laughing stock.

 

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DM.

DM beat Hill

Hill had beaten Maske.

Hill and Maske at the time were the #2 and #1 of the LHW division. The Ring, which is not respected by Team Elite, also thinks this. Ring Annual ratings for 1995:-

1. Henry Maske
2. Virgil Hill
3. Fabrice Tiozzo
4. Montell Griffin
5. Merqui Sosa
6. Mike McCallum
7. Dariusz Michalczewski
8. Frank Tate
9. William Guthrie
0. Lou Del Valle

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Light_Heavyweight--1990s

When the lineal title is vacant, it can only be won by the #1 and #2 if they have a punch up.

However being the lineal champion doesnt mean you are the best or the #1 of the division as is claimed by some Team Elite members. How can you say Gonzales was the best or the #1 of the division.

Hence the Lineal champ is only a respectable position when combined with unifications with other sanctioning bodies.

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RJJ.

To be the undisputed champion pre 2007, you had to have held the WBC, WBA and the IBF titles simultaneously.

Roy Jones Jr held the WBC, WBA, and IBF titles at one time. DM only held the WBA, WBO and IBF at one time.

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RJJ, anyone who wants to discuss this can step into the ESB square circle.

 

57 pages and counting :blood

 

I think the post above clears up this whole fiasco however don't think it is over.

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The owning which bailey has received in this thread has not disheartened the Team Elite favourite. However due the pwnage he has received here, he would like to take a

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time off to heal from the injuries he received.

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Stay tuned.

 

Baileys employer perhaps told him he would get fired if he did not start doing his job. He is probably furious inside right now, and prepares for the week end. This wont be pretty ...

 

Just popped in to see updates and I noticed that Joe.Boxer has been laying down a brutal one sided schooling on Simperial

made it look easy too

 

The beatdown Joe.Boxer laid on Gimperial is reminiscent of Mayweather-Gatti, or Calzaghe-Lacy

 

Bailey = joeboxer = team elite pride

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12337711&postcount=492

 

Good to see dave and realsoulja working togethor despite realsoulja fracturing daves skull early on in this thread over a petty issue.

A roided up rjj wud have had too much for. Dm.

A clean rjj ko2 dm though

 

I saw you trying to suck up to baillet earlier so went to fracture your skull so realsoulja and bailey could fight for the lineal titlej.

Then I realise you spoke truth and was just a bailey fan so I was upset in fracturing your skull and took back the certain thing, knowing you would be a useful weapon in the long run.

I alsomade sure whipdatass doesnt add anyo damage to ur skull and quickly pwned whipdatass off the eqquatorial shores.

So why you sticking out your tongue?

 

Well the belt that was taken from Rochi was the belt Jones had vacated ..

And Jones was forced to fight Rochi for that belt but Rochi chose to sit out for more than a year fighting the WBC in court .So if you want to get technical fine ,but Jones picked that belt up after beating Griffen ,than became undisputed after beating Devalle and Johnson .



And Jones picked up those belts from other fighters .Why is it that anyone who argues this dimisses the guys that actually had the title before Jones ?

And there was no need to unfiy because he WBO allowed anyone to get a shot at the title .Imagine if nicky Piper had beat Darius ..


And even if you take the WBC out Jones held every other major titte ,he would also became the undisputed light heavy champ in 03 by beating Tarver ..So to call him a paper champ is a bit off .

And check any rankings from 1997 til 2003 and tell me where Jones was ranked ..He was atop basically everyone's list with the exception maybe of the WBO ..He was the man in the division wether you agree with it or not .

DM may have been the man going into the Hill fight but he sure fought his way out of that contention no to long after .


This is why I didn't put much stock in tha line of lineage . Considering that the best didn't always fight the best shortly ..I mean look at how the belt changed hands ..It got so bad that we are now back to recognizing one of the major belts for new lineage !


Jones had as much claim as anyone as being the man in the division .

Based on rankings which is what gave the likes of Hill and Maske a shot and he held all the major belts ..

I posted this earlier :


http://www.linealchamps.com/page4.html


Its funny to say Jones was a paper champ the light heavyweight champion could not got to Hopkins without going through Jones !

 

You two should get the Iron Man award.

 

I had a newb message me and ask why people preferred this to an intelligent debate. Took me a long time to answer the poor bloke.

 

You still backpeddling ,Funny how your all over the place !




There is a ton of history that illustrates the titles Jones won in the ring off other fighters .I even educated you on the history ! You had previous champs that NEVER beat a lineal champs yet you want to point the finger at Jones ! Ok Zrot Erdi beat Gonzalez that feet must be monumental in your eyes since he beat Juilo Cesar Gonzalez for the lineal title !


Jones was crowned undipsuted champ twice ! Once after he beat Reggie Johnson and 2nd when he beat Traver the 1st time ..Let me guess again your the authority of championships Your really clueless man ,Your arguements hold no water here !

No one created fake arugments I just educated you on facts ..

The WBO never cemented any real lineage when that belt was never even a factor .This is the same organization that ranked dead fighters yet im supposed to take them as credible for lineage ..Yeah sure !


And everyone has all had a great laugh at your nonsense and will continue to do so ..This is why you keep reaching for help ..