Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

I couldnt argue about the #1 or #2 spot, but it was after reading all of the various posts that people have dug up out of archives that made me realise that there was a big part of the LHW division I didnt really acknowledge (undisputed). I remember when Jones was blazing through everyone and unifying titles left right and centre, but all along hadnt taken the history of the titles into account. DM had been stripped or given difficult times to defend his titles, so was champ but had his belts removed. He hadnt lost his titles in the ring.
I guess with that its hard to argue especially with the long post J.Boxer revealed that DM should have been given that status at some point. But Jones still seemed like the man even if he wasnt truly. If that makes sense?

 

No, he didn't. He hasn't landed a single heavy blow, unless you count his blatant lies as blows, which, being a blindly biased ****wit, you probably did.

 

I dont want to get on this going against Jones as he was a legend, but in fairness to you and Bailey, I havent seen either of you countered, so I have to say fair play to you both in winning your arguements, but do you think DM would have beaten Jones?

 

Do you seriously think I didn't know how Jones vacated the WBC title and what happened after? The corruption that went on only further proved my point about the bull**** politics. Clown.

I inserted the extra info to clarify, because you falsely tried to suggest I agreed with GIMPerial1.

You are without a doubt the Joe Cortez of this debate. I have clearly dominated easily, and you are trying to interfere with hopeless devious attempts at turning things around. Either that or you completely misunderstood my point.

 

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This man Macdeath has shown some potential despite sucking up to joe.boxer, to be a future P4P contender in the ESB square cirlce.

I will be honest, I also learnt a great deal boxing related and non boxing related while commentating on the match up between Imperial1 and Joe.Boxer.

I still think based on accomplishments, titles attained, opposition beaten, the way opposition was beaten:-

RJJ was the better man, and the #1 man of the division.

DM was lineal champ, but lineal champ doesnt always mean your the man.

If we go back to the mid 80's. Before Tyson destroyed Spinks in a round.

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(Michael) Spinks was the Lineal champ, but Tyson was the WBC, WBA, and IBF champ. I think at that point no one would have denied Tyson was numero uno even though Spinks was #1.

But it can be a difference of opinion regardless of the situation.

Sometimes people have to agree to disagree and move on like a gypsy trailer.

 

Stop crying man, you calling me the Joe Cortez, you was the Jeff Lacy of this discussion

You agreed with Imperial not once but twice and tried to make it look like you didnt, why dont you just say agreed, so you and Imperial can argue on real issues and narrow down the length of your discussions.

Keep it simple. Not keep it simperial.

 

If you knew how big a fan I used to be of Jones, I doubt you would say Im sucking up to anyone. But thanks for the rest of the compliments.
Jones definately looked the more spectacular of the two from what ive seen of DM (which is only about 3/4 fights all the way through).
As for comp it looks kind of similar with Jones probably a bit better. They both beat Hill and Griffin, then Jones has the Johnson and Del Valle title wins but DM has that Rocchigiani win who should also have had a title, so I dont want to take away from either. Just a shame it wasnt settled in the ring

 

You ****ing MORON! I didn't agree with his point at all. Jones vacated the wbc title, then was given it back. DM was stripped for bull**** reasons. If anything, GIMPerial1 was agreeing with me without even realizing it.

I am the Calzaghe to GIMPerial1's Lacy. Admit the truth.

 

I'm the ****ing gimp but you have called Jones a paper champ for as long as anyone can remember now you agreed he vacated the title ..How can you be a paper champ and vacate a title at the same time ? Which one is it King of contradictions :think

Why was Jones upgraded to champ ? Because Tozzio vacated !

Published: June 06, 1999

Roy Jones Jr. showed again tonight why he is the most dazzling boxer in the sport today. With a punishing display of ring genius against Reggie Johnson, a two-time world champion, Jones took a 12-round unanimous decision and became the first undisputed light-heavyweight champion of the world in 14 years since Michael Spinks



Didn't have to beat one when he was one ,Dm never unified anything and history will remember him as a protected fighter based out of Germany :good

And do I consider Jean Pascal as some great champ ? Well doesn;t that contradict your original statement about lineal titles being determined by the best agaisnt the best ?According to your logic he was a great champ because he was lineal ! You know a champ that Jones never beat


And as far as Tarver , minus the IBF he still had the WBC ,WBA and Ring like I said I never counted the IBO ,IBA WBF ABC 123 BELTS ! So that actually made him the MAN in the divison ,by this time DM had already lost to Gonzales ,He was actually the " Lineal champion " Yet you really think he was the man atsch

And your arguements are as lose as a hooker on 42nd street !


And those were not lies DM's own promoter stated they wanted nothing to do with Guthrie because he was a King fighter ! This is why they could have cared less about the IBF belt ,and when the WBA told DM to fight Devalle he told them to **** themselves after Devalle had earned the right after getting robbed against Hill !!!!

Actions speak louder than words ! This is why DM went on the bum of the month tour ! Just look at the guys he fought after he beat Hill yet he didn't duck anyone ..Yeah sure !


Your arguements hold no water ! And as far as clean blows,well all I know is you have been stunned on more than 1 occasion and even took a knee ..But I know your destroying me :rofl

 

Stick around man, you seem to be a boxing scholar and have a good relationship with not only me, but Joe.Boxer and bailey aswell.

Did you also agree with bailey that Calzaghe beat the man:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12294836&postcount=367

When Joe.Boxer has already shown us that Calzaghe never beat the man, because Zsolt Erdei was the man.

I think you are bailey in disguise, reveal your true colours and accept your sonning.

 

The evidence is there
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After Imperial1 schooled Joe.Boxer on the topic of Vacated titles:-

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12401796&postcount=866

Joe.Boxer agreed right away:-

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12402404&postcount=868

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However, he did not stop there, Joe.Boxer continued to talk on and agree with Imperial1's schooling once again:-

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12402779&postcount=873

The injuries Joe.Boxer has suffered has begun to show. Not only are these injuries career threatening but also life threatening. We all hope for a swift recovery and for Joe.Boxers peers and colleagues to have patience.


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And Imperial is back :happy:happy:happy Aint no quitters here. Vitali should read and learn.

 

It's now perfectly clear that you both completely misunderstood my point, even with the added info. You must feel a right plonker now.

 

I was never a big Calzaghe fan but give him some props.
I guess its a bit of a tough question because I always used to think of Jones as the man before this thread, now I think its a debateable subject.
As for Calzaghe, I couldnt argue with his SuperMiddleweight victories. At LightHeavyWeight he was considered the best when he had the Hopkins victory, but like I said this thread has given me a new insight in the term undisputed, which I admit to overlooking.
No Im not Bailey and havent been on a thread with him or Joe.Boxer before to my recollection (not that I have looked either way).
Why are you so bothered by him anyway?

 

You STUPID, STUPID gimp! Jones vacated his wbc title while DM was the true recognized light heavyweight CHAMPION, hence it was a paper ****ing title and wasn't relevant. Jones paper titles were not part of the ****ing Lineage. The fact that he was given it back only shows the corruption that was going on.

The only contradiction is you confusing both you and your boyfriend realsouja. Idiots.

**** weak lies.

NO. Who the **** said they must be great?? Pascal and Dawson were the highest ranked in the world. That's how they created the new Lineage.

And you can't laugh at Erdei or Gonzalez if you don't laugh at Pascal.

HAHAHAHA. Now you're saying "the man" instead of "undisputed champion" because you're contradicting your whole argument. Tarver didn't unify the WBC/WBA/IBF titles, so by your own logic, he wasn't the man, and you're ****ed.

Nigel Collins admits The Ring title should have been awarded to DM's Lineage.

Tarver willingly relinquished his two abc titles to fight for the ****ing IBO title!

Fake Ring and IBO champ.

So is your mother's **** after shitting out your massive bone head.

I told you to stop ****ing LYING you pathetic turd.

Kohl would have had to try to go up against King and the lawsuit to extend the 1 month time limit.

And the WBA didn't tell him to fight Del Valle. EVERY source says why DM was stripped of the WBA. Clown.

BOTH Jones and DM fought a few bums during their reign, you one-eyed ******.

My argument is water tight. I have battered you all over this forum. Fact. You haven't landed a single blow because you're always wrong, and have to resort to telling blatant lies to try and make a point or twist what I say. You pathetic ****in turd.