Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

I was talking about the title Jones vacated when he went after Douglas


Funny he was a paper champ in your eyes but you do recognize he was champ prior to Rochi's bout with Nunn ..

Tarver was the man ,but by your logic the lineal champ is the man .. I mean why else do you harp on the fact that Jones never beat a lineal champ yet he beat guys who later became them in Hopkins and Gonzalez ..


And technically Tarver unified the IBF WBA and WBC ..He just vacated the IBF ..But we all know the lineal champ Gonzales was man right ..Wonder why you never go after anyone else for never facing a lineal champ ..

Considering all the crap you spit about new lineage anyways ..Tarver never beat Gonzalez or Eredi but when he knocked out Jones he became the man at Lt Heavy ! But its all about the lineal champ right

And every source says DM was stripped yet I posted the interview Devalle did on the situtaion ..But I know I'm making it up ..


And yes I will agree the IBO is a fake title !


And im lying about DM's promoter ? Really


I'd like to thank your boy Bailey for this little gem "

"After the fight it was reported that Michalczewski's promoter

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said: "Guthrie is Don King's man and we don't want to do any business with him."


But im lying right :rofl:rofl:rofl

Man you really are getting funnier with each response ..

 

How else will this reach the century page


Why you acting like you established the lineage, I already talked about the correct lineage u just been hating on realsoulja for fracturing ur skull early in this thread

 

you came here and started said both bailey and Joe.Boxer are winning every debate.

But that wasnt possible since both are on opposing sides when it comes to "who was the lineal champion of the LHW division?"

Joe.Boxer holds the opinion it was Zsolt Erdei.
While bailey holds the opinion it was Joe Calzaghe.

Dave669 has entered the discussion and has confirmed what I said, Joe Calzaghe wasnt a champion at all at LHW. According to Team Elite guidelines, but was a champion according to, The Ring.

Point being, no complaints or threads are made regarding this issue how Calzaghe was a paper champion at LHW, but a big deal is made about RJJ.

When RJJ was the best, the undisputed LHW champion of the world, and had ripped thru the LHW scene harder than anyone rivalling him.

Bailey needs to make a thread about how Joe Calzaghe was a paper champ, and it would be amongst the first time many masses will agree with him instead of a minority sect.

 

The "linear" title is a refuge of fans who love fighters who don't fight anybody.


the "linear" title doesn't make you the man at any division. It's a bull**** dump for lesser fighters.


So while Dm and Erdie and Gonzalez have all been forgotten already, Roy Jones is considered one of the best fighters of all time.

Which would you rather have????



Keith

 

I know what you were on about, dummy. And NO, I DON'T recognize him as "champ", as in the world champion, prior to Rochi's bout with Nunn, I recognize him as a title holder. DM had no claim to the WBC title at that point. BIG, difference you dumb ****ing vegetable. Again it has to be spelled out because you're too damn stupid to understand a simple point.

No, Tarver was never "the man". It's not my logic, it's fact, dummy. NEWSFLASH STUPID: A boxer may actually lose a fight before he fights for, and wins the title.

And Jones beat Hopkins at ****ing middleweight years earlier, and LOST to Hopkins when he finally fought him at 175lbs LOL @ you! You absolute clown. You're too easy.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Now you HAVE completely contradicted your whole ****ing argument.

You've been denying all along that DM was the true champion, claiming he was "only WBO", ignoring the Lineage, and the WBA/IBF titles being RIGHTFULLY his, and recognizing Jones as the "undisputed" champion because he held the WBC/WBA/IBF (bs paper WBA/IBF titles).

Now you "technically" claim Tarver unified despite him not holding the WBC/WBA/IBF, and WILLINGLY dropping the IBF title. (though a few posts ago you actually claimed he was stripped. DUMMY)

THIS DEBATE IS OFFICIALLY OVER - GIMPERIAL1 HAS JUST GONE COMPLETELY AGAINST HIS OWN ****ING LOGIC, ADMITTING DM WAS THE TRUE, LEGITIMATE, LINEAL, UNIFIED WORLD CHAMPION DURING ROY JONES' BOGUS REIGN.

Because you only argue for your fraudulent hero Roid Jones.

No, Tarver didn't become the man. After the Jones win he lost to Glen ****in Johnson - the guy who EVERY top fighter beats. And you laugh at Gonzales & Erdei? DUMMY.

No, you choose to believe a boxers' trash talk instead of the facts, stupid.

Well shut the **** up laughing about the true Lineal/WBO champ then, when The Ring's fake champion was holding the shitty IBO title.

I never denied that quote, you stupid lying twat. I spelled out why he said it. It's irrelevant anyway, because DM WAS stuck with the 1 month time limit - ANOTHER thing you denied and lied about, saying he still had 90 DAYS when the reason for the change to the 1 month time limit had been repeatedly spelled out to your vegetative brain. DUMMY.

Yeah, because I'm owning you even easier with each response. You have no ****in arguments left. You've thoroughly exhausted every lie and inaccuracy you can put out of your ass, and I'm effortlessly refuting them every single one of them. You've even gone and contradicted your own stupid logic.

YOU DUN GOOFED, DUMMY.

You've been dominated, kid, and your posts are now just getting pathetic.

 

this is not linear champ though, really now is it ?

It might be ring champ!

In the past if a title was vacant in the old days when there was 1 belt this happened however in the modern era it was when one became undisputed.

 

I think some fans, like Keith above mentioned just follow this to be the man you got to beat the man.

But in modern era, like you say. We have 4 major belts in 1 weight division multiply that by 17 weight divisions that is at one time, 68 world champions, when there is supposed to be only 17 (1 per division) at 1 time. (This is excluding all interims, emeritus and vacated and what not)

How do boxing fans sort out this problem and have 1 champ per division?

This is just part of the discussion (WAR!) taking place between Joe.Boxer and Imperial1.
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I personally wont accept, Zsolt Erdei (Linear Champ) at 19-0 to be the division champ, because IMO this should go to the best in the division (Antonio Tarver) who just knocked out RJJ.

And if we then follow Antonio Tarver to be the best in the division, we would eventually Calzaghe to be division king.

The Ring title took some time to establish itself and IMO is amongst the best way to confrim who the best in the division is in modern day era when we have 4 belts per division.

Hence once again proving the point I made earlier:-
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12381635&postcount=787

 

After Tarver knocked out Jones he became the man ! Wether he was stripped or vactaed of the IBF he was still the man until he lost to Johsnon ..But like I said he had the WBC ,WBA and Ring which made him the man !


He also had the IBF the 3 majors ! DM never held those belts at the same time nor did he have the Ring title !

That was a weak attempt


And Jones was indeeed champ ,he beat McCallum he was inseretd as champ when Tozzio left ! You even recognized that so what now your backpeddling again Not surprised ! And why would DM have any claim to that prior when he didn't fight hill til 97 Jones was champ in 96 !

I'm the dummy but your history fails you at every turn

And you never denied the quote but you called me a liar ,your only accepting it now because everyone else is seeing through your lies so you have no choice but to jump on board !


And it was originally 90 days but DM's promoters kept saying they only had 30 ..Either way they didn't care they were happy letting those belts go !


Oh I never admitted that DM was the man I said Jones had as much claim to the lineal belt ..Lets not make things up shall we ..I was just pointing out how you hold this lineal title in high regard when the lineal belt holder really isn't even the man in the division ..But if you want to try to make things up go ahead ,I will let the public back track the responses !

And yes the IBO is irrelevant ,why else is the WBC aorund the waist of the current lineal champ like I said I only recognioze the majors for true lineage ..Nothing that ends with O can be taken seriously !





I also don't chose to agree with boxers trash talk I agree with their actions ! This is why DM refused to fight any of his mandos ,this is why he could have cared less of being stripped of the WBA and IBF ..This is why he only kept the WBO and this is why he fought a bunch of stiffs because they knew that the could milk it and get a ton of money for it !

This is why both Guthrie and Devalle got shots at those belts not because there was witch hunt against DM ..

And I only argue facts ,not opinions ! Seems thats all you do !

 

No, he wasn't "the man", and he didn't have the 3 belts you recognize as the undisputed championship. You've COMPLETELY contradicted yourself and unintentionally admitted Jones' WBA/IBF titles were DMs. You've killed your own argument and exposed yourself as a complete joke.

DM was "the man". He was true Lineal, WBO/WBA/BF champion. The Ring editor also admitted DM should have been the Ring champion instead of Jones.

You're done. This debate is hopelessly lost for you.

I haven't back peddled ANYTHING in this thread, so stop lying you pitiful ****ing turd. Is that all you can do? I perfectly spell things out for you because you're too ****ing stupid to understand, so you start claiming I'm somehow back peddling. You are a CLOWN. I'm destroying you over and over and all you can reply with are lies.

More pitiful lies. You're truely pathetic. ****ing idiot.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. YOU are the only one who's doing any backpeddling. You stuttering ****ing clown. DM was "the man". Jones was not. Simple. Everyone with half a brain realizes it, including The Ring editor.

You've gone against your logic, unintentionally admitting your whole argument is wrong. Well done.

Irrelevant waffle.

Yet more lies. Lame.

You STUPID STUPID hypocritical spastic (see your previous paragraph).

You're done here. You've contradicted your whole argument and are now just continuously lying. You're a joke.

 

Anyone with any common sense knew that the man at light heavy was Roy Jones ..This is why the lineal champ kept calling him out or did you miss that

And I never admitted to anything,your really getting desperate now ..I never once said DM was the man I also said Jones picked up the belts that were stripped from DM in the ring but again you want make things up fine ..Anyone can back track the responses ..Your really hoping to land that bomb when you been thouroughly out boxed ..Best of luck to you

And no one lied about the DM situation you just refused to admit the truth in order to save face . I also like how you avoided the fact that Jones was WBC champ in 96 yet the Hill DM match wasn't until in 97
yet still claim Jones was a paper champ but even admitted that he became the champ when Tozzio left the division ..But I know more of this : Pathic ,clown crap blah blah blah ..Thats all you got .Sad !

 

Dm was never THE man. He bitched out and gave up titles to avoid the likes of WIlliam Guthrie and Lou Del Valle. He fought a string of bums defending the almost disregarded at the time WBO belt. He avoided Jones like the plague.

All to fight Nicky Piper.

He was schooled by Griffen for 3 rounds before a bull**** stoppage, after landing two punches that didn't even put Griffen down.

Face it, Dm has been relagated to the dustbin of history. There are no talks of where Dm rates as an ATG, or even one of the best in the last 20 years. Meanwhile Jones is always in that discussion.

His legacy is no more than that of Prince Charles Williams. A solid belt holder, who was NEVER the best at his weight.

Keith

 

You're done. Finished. I've dominated you every single round, and thoroughly schooled, owned, and proved you wrong on every single point.

You've proven you have absolutely no idea what you're on about, and after the devastating beating I've given you, all you can do now is continuously lie like the spineless ****-for-brains ***** that you are.

 

Uh no you didn't

Not even close ...

 

Mods ban this ****.

 

Damn Imp. Let's look that up. 96 WBC, Jones/Hill 97.