Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

Hi mate, finally some decent discussion, realsoulja gets very boring and repetitive after about 2 posts.

Joe never faced a tall, skilled rangy southpaw like Tarver. He did face Veit who was about the same height, but Tarver was a lot better, and a southpaw.

Joe would have to get past Tarver's jab, which was a tough task in itself. If you look at Tarver's fights with Joe and Glen Johnson (which is when he was in his prime), Tarver was comfortable in controlling fights with his jab from distance. But when Roy and Glen would let their hands go, Tarver was clearly uncomfortable, and would tend to cover up and fall back, which allowed his opponent to score points. I could see Joe having success when he gets in range, and lets his hands go which he was very good at doing.

Tarver could punch hard, so I could him hurting Joe a few times throughout.

Joe wasn't a big puncher, and Tarver has a very good chin, so there's no chance of a stoppage in my opinion (except on cuts).

I could see this being a close fight that would be close all the way. In the end, I think Tarver has the edge on the outside, but at mid-range and on the inside Joe's volume of punches, and relentless pressure would allow him to score points and win rounds. Maybe Joe takes a decision like 8-4 in rounds, in a close fight

What do you think?

 

Lets get straight into this you made a claim:-

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12299183&postcount=406

You claimed Calzaghe was shot. I asked you how was he shot when he was coming off his career best wins, you then came up with this.

What I gather from this, correct me if I am wrong, a fighter who loses love for the sport automatically becomes shotatsch

I am thinking of leaving it there because that above claim is ridiculous. However I know you are a major ducking coward so I will just finish this off now.

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After SRL had a tough fight with Howard, SRL retired and stated he just didn't have it anymore. Read this old newspaper article son.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...143,2519858&dq=ray+leonard+kevin+howard&hl=en

So does this mean SRL was shot? Because in his next fight he beats P4P #1 Marvin Hagler.

And you can't beat Marvin Hagler if you are shot.:deal

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So does this mean he was also shot?

Here is his words:-

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3429729

What did you say again:-

Mayweather's hunger goes away, but he comes back and beats Marquez, Mosely, Ortiz, and Cotto.

Get the **** outta here boy.
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Joe Calzaghe was not shot, and was by no means blown up.

 

Oi knockout, you ducked this earlier.

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These are the words of Joe Calzaghe leading up to the Mikkel Kessler fight:-

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...e-World-title-fight-Boxing.html#ixzz23dkfAQjH

And here is an extract from the same article.

So if Joe Calzaghe was struggling to make the SMW weight limit, and he then moved up to LHW. How does that make him a blown up LHW. :huh

 

Yes, when a fighter is finished he is shot, do you disagree with that statement?

Calzaghe was finished, he had no motivation to fight.

Now, you can make yourself look an utter ****ing ******, and continue down this line of discussion, or you can let it go.

No you absolute dip****, if you read his autobiography you would see he stated he had the fire back, and the motivation and hunger for the Hagler fight.

Next shitty point


Have you ever seen Mayweather on HBO 24/7, in preparation for the Ortiz bout, he even remarks, I'm rich but a I train like a poor fighter, I'm still so hungry.

Now, do you disagree with this statement, actions speak louder than words

If you disagree with it, you're a ****ing muppet.

If not, then you've shot yourself down. For Leonard and Mayweather both returned, and turned in some of the best performances of their careers. Clearly they still had the hunger and desire to fight.

Calzaghe, retired and never returned, and at another interview stated again all his passion for boxing is gone.

You're being mercifully put down here, like an ageing dog that's in suffering.

 

Are you blind? Read my post again

Blown up in the sense that he wasn't prime at LHW, and he didn't look at his best there. He looked better against Kessler than against Hopkins or Jones, and he found it harder to make SMW than LHW

Not blown up in the sense that ODLH was, when he faced Sturm and Hopkins at MW.

 

:nut realpussyfart's nonsensical dizzy ramblings continue.

Listen *****, you bring nothing to the debate other than porky pies and thinly-veiled queerness. I'll keep beating you down until I get bored and move on to the next minion.

And parrot? If you want to see a parrot, look in the mirror.

ALL my statements remain, and stand true and firm, unlike you, jelly legs.

You have now admitted numerous times that you were wrong, unaware of the whole facts, and that I played you like a child, so well done. A gold-star minion badge is on its way to you for admitting your embarrassing mistake and self-pwn. Just try not to do it again.

 

:dead

 

That statement is not linked to Calzaghe, as Joe Calzaghe was not shot nor was he finished.

Calzaghe contemplated on fighting on after the RJJ bout.

Here is what Richard Schaefer said:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...rematch-with-Bernard-Hopkins-this-summer.html

http://www.**************/news.php?news_id=883&y=2010&m=04

- Words of Enzo Calzaghe

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/9246781.Calzaghe_slams_Tarver_taunts/

All this proves that Calzaghe was not shot:deal

Read the above quotes, Calzaghe still had it in him, he was not shot nor was he finished as you claimed.

He finished his career by retiring but that doesn't mean he was finished.

Just accept that

1. Calzaghe was not shot
2. Calzaghe was not a bloated SMW when fighting at LHW.

You just made yourself look like the

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by proving a fighter can regain his motivation and hunger. So your statement earlier, really backfired on you:-

You accept Leonard lost his motivation, and you accept he had the fire back. But you also claimed once the hunger and motivation is gone your are finished.

Next shitty point

Another self pwnage on your behalf.

Mayweather loses the love for the sport and retires, so according to your dumb logic posted earlier:-

According to your dumb logic Mayweather was finished in 2007/08

But then he comes on HBO 24/7 and tells you he still got the hunger,

Calzaghe's actions showed he was not shot:deal
Calzaghe's actions and words showed he was not bloated:deal

You are trying to duck the point.

Mayweather says he has lost the hapiness to fight on, and you claimed if that happens the fighter is shot:nut

I, because I am a realist, was able to realise Mayweather is not shot how can he be with such a great performance against Hatton.

Likewise, I, because I am a realist, was able to realise Calzaghe is not shot how could I when he just come off his best wins.

 

In a truly bizarre fashion, realsoulja continues to open himself up for more punishment.

Joe never made any offers, nor did he accept any offers to return.

He stated in two interviews I posted that he was finished, done with the sport.

you're constant disingenuous twisting of what people post has gotten boring long ago, more nonsensical ramblings. Now I see you've brought up Leonard and Mayweather yet again, you thick ****er.

Observe and learn:

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Now, do you disagree with this statement, actions speak louder than words

If you disagree with it, you're a ****ing muppet.

If not, then you've shot yourself down. For Leonard and Mayweather both returned, and turned in some of the best performances of their careers. Clearly they still had the hunger and desire to fight.

Calzaghe, retired and never returned, and at another interview stated again all his passion for boxing is gone.
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You've got nothing, your examples have been shot down, as has your reputation. This is just getting worse and worse for you.

 

How can a blind man be owning you:think
No more dumb questions now.

You really need to learn boxing terminology now son, let me school you.

Calzaghe was not a blown up SMW, Calzaghe was a fighter past his best moving up in weight, to a new weight where he was more comfortable. He was past his best, so obviously he was no longer prime.

If a fighter is comfortable at a weight, he is not blown up nor is he weight drained. Calzaghe struggled to make SMW, and as proven he was "draining" himself to make SMW. I won't go as far as saying he was weight drained, but it is logical for him to move up to a weight he would be more comfortable at.

Had he gone up to Heavyweight, I could understand somebody calling him blown up, but Calzaghe just put on 7 lbs, and he found it easier making LHW than SMW in that advanced stage of his career. Hence proving:-

Calzaghe was not blown up:deal

So you are blaming 7 lbs for Calzaghe not looking at his best? Why don't you consider other factors:-

- He was up against two experienced fighters who knew the game better than Calzaghe.
- He was leaving the comfort zone of Cardiff, and for the first time the comfort zone of Europe and for the first time fought in USA.

He looked better in the Kessler fight than he did in the Hopkin's fight this was because Hopkins is better than Kessler, and Hopkin's style makes pretty much any fight look a little dodgy at times.

He looked better against RJJ than he did against Kessler, you need to rewatch those fights. Kessler gave Calzaghe some tough moments, RJJ bar the first round never really posed a threat against Calzaghe.

ODLH was blown up at MW, see now you are understanding the boxing terminology.

How about Thomas Hitman Hearns when he moved up to MW, do you think he was a blown up WW? I certainly wouldn't think so.

Hearn's puts on 13 lbs, Calzaghe puts on 7 lbs.
Hearns at SMW, he put on 21 lbs, Calzaghe put on 7 lbs.

Calzaghe was no blown up SMW at LHW as he found it a lot easier to make the 175 lb limit. And you also agree here:-

You claim you spent hours and months doing boxing training, you should have realised when a fighter is comfortable at a weight he is not blown up.
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Further Pwnage.

- Words of Joe Calzaghe (2007)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7077707.stm

Calzaghe was ready to move up in 2007, so how can he have been bloated?

 

More for you soulja

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/167153-calzaghe-doesnt-like-the-idea-of-hatton-fighting-again

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/169652-qaa-calzaghe

:hi:

 

- Words of Enzo Calzaghe

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/9246781.Calzaghe_slams_Tarver_taunts/

His own trainer thought his son wasn't finished.

 

How does that prove Calzaghe was shot and bloated?

Knockout, I tell you what it is, you dont know the defintions of:-

1. Shot
2. Bloated

Because Calzaghe was neither, you just need to stop sucking up and accept the truth, Calzaghe was neither shot nor was he bloated when he fought Roy Jones Jr.

If you think Joe Calzaghe was shot facing Roy Jones Jr, what do you think Roy Jones was?

And let me finish your argument from the negative angle, RJJ says he is not finished, he says he is hungry for the CW title, so according to you, you think he is not shot because he believes in himself. But Calzaghe was shot because he no longer believed in himself.

You just need to go and maybe ask your friend Loudon to teach you the following boxing terms so you no longer make a fool of yourself.

1. Shot. (Example Current Roy Jones Jr and Evander Holyfield)
2. Bloated. (Example Felix Trinidad at LHW)

 

It's good to see you've finally conceded that Calzaghe was completely finished after Jones, I won't have to waste anymore time on it.

Now this is the more interesting topic

LHW was not his prime weight, he was a SMW. More comfortable making LHW? Of course he would be. But performances show that SMW was better for him, where he was at his strongest, not LHW.

Most fighters drain to make weight you goon! No, you stay at the weight class where you are strongest comparatively against your peers, for Calzaghe that was SMW. when he fought at LHW, he weighed in at 173, 2 pounds below the divisional limit.

See the above point

you stay at the weight class where you are strongest comparatively against your peers, for Calzaghe that was SMW. when he fought at LHW, he weighed in at 173, 2 pounds below the divisional limit.

Comfort zone of europe? Are you ****ing stupid? That's one of the more ******ed comments you've made.

The important factors were that he was not strong at LHW comparatively against his peers, and he was in his mid 30's, at the end of his career.

No, he looked better against Kessler period. He didn't get dropped, and fought a better fight. Don't believe me? Let's see what the man who went through those fights has to say:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/joe-calzaghe-vows-to-go-out-355452

This is just too easy.

Kessler was significantly better than that version of Jones.

Bringing up Thomas Hearns is the worst example, the man was 6 ft 2 with massive shoulders and skinny legs. He had the perfect frame for moving up in weight, Calzaghe didn't.


To conclude this,

:- Calzaghe was a career SMW, who fought two fights at LHW in his mid 30's at the end of his career, where he didn't look as good as he did at SMW
- It's clear that Calzaghe was stronger and better at SMW
- Calzaghe was not in the same boat as the likes ODLH though on that point I agree.

At which point, this discussion is now pretty much over.


If you'd like to talk about why Jones didn't face Collins, Nunn or Liles then that is another discussion I'd be interested in.

Otherwise, unless Loudon responds to my other post, I'm pretty much done with this thread.

You've still got business with Joe.Boxer though

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13596019&postcount=1231

Sugar Ray Leonard lost desire before he beat Marvin Hagler

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...ts/boxing/2008-06-06-mayweather-retires_N.htm

Mayweather then retired, but Mayweather was not finished as he is the best fighter in the world today.
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