Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

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  1. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    thats when hopkins was not even a dedicated fighter and lost his first fight

    check much later in his career when he weighed 156 v de la hoya and conceded that he could even make 54


    bhop was a weight class below joe for the vast majority of his career, the smaller man no less
     
  2. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    stfu
     
  3. VivaNazVegas

    VivaNazVegas Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No you
     
  4. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  5. Skittlez

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    Great thread Bailey.

    I discovered a **** load of interviews where Roy himself ADMITTED to not wanting risks because he was scared of going into a coma.:lol::lol:

    Ironically that day draws every near now.:lol::lol:
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    An old thread that I did some time back, where it asked the questions about Roy and his competition and where the defeats happened.
    There was a sensational post by Headbanger which I will find in a moment, but it really asks the question and highlights how a fighter can look better against the right opponents.

    It is an honour that you have found this old thread and brought it back into the playing field :D
     
  7. Skittlez

    Skittlez Guest

    To answer the thread question.

    Yes he did. First off let's cut the bull**** and stop lying that RJJ was shot against Tarver or Johnson. He wasn't.
    He was a massive favorite going into the Tarver I fight and looked pretty good. It was the closest fight of his life, but he held his own to a extent. Tarver was exposing numerous flaws that Roy always had (it was never exposed before because Roy avoided most of the top competition)

    Roy Jones Jr's fighting style is actually quite simplistic for any top fighter to break down, and Tarver was well on his way to figuring Roy out.
    The 2nd fight, Roy came in doing the EXACT same thing he always did and got brutally knocked the Hell out. That was an ELITE Roy.
    Roy was still ELITE against Johnson and he also got beaten badly.


    Roy seem to have regained much of his luster against Lacy and Trinidad. But that was just a mirage.
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you put the Lacy performance in his title reign days, it would have been superman.
    I put up Roys fight with Hall and his fight with Calzaghe, where Roy showed the same moves and nobody could point out where Roy had alledgedly declined, just said you think that the same Roy, but couldnt point out one thing. The real difference was the opponent.
    When roy got put down and hurt by Del Valle, if that was now, people would say its due to Roy being shot,
     
  9. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Are you serious?

    Jones's style is a modified version of Ali's and has all the strengths and weaknesses of that style.
    Its really to be used by young guys, fighters pushing 40 have no business using that style, which is why Ali and Jones started to take beating late in their repsective careers.
     
  10. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    :-:)-:)-(
     
  11. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Roy beat all kinds of fighters on Tarver and Johnson's level... Including Harding, who came off of a win of Tarver.

    Roy Jones declined, the competition did not change.
     
  12. SouthpawJab

    SouthpawJab On his way up!! 4-0!! Full Member

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    Tarver lost to Harding..and was losing to him again before landing the KO

    Johnson was 4-4-2 in his last 10 fights...with losses to Sheika,Gonzalez, and Harmon. Guys Roy had already beaten. lol

    All of the guys fought at LHW were C to B- level fighters. There was no step up in competition or "top guys"

    Hell, DM fought a lot of the same fighters. Richard Hall(After he was KO'd by Roy), Montell Griffin(After being KO'd by Roy and losing to Tarver), and Gonzalez(who lost every round to Roy)
     
  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Show me these massive differences, because the noticeable one to me is the competition

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbK4ATyNcv0[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKq8b6nO_-w[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcSVev-wcdI&feature=fvwrel[/ame]
    Jones was doing all of the same things, fighting the same way by keeping his hands up and using the ropes, and looked as fast, just Calzaghes volume style and fast punches were able to break alot of what Jones had done so well. It took Calzaghe a couple of rounds to work it out and then took over
     
  14. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Jones was done by the time he fought Calzaghe. He got koed by C+ level Danny Green 3 fights later.

    I could go over it point by point, but what is the point? Your going to ignore everything I posted and just repeat the same old argument anyway
     
  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Stop ducking the question. Point out these abundantly clear differences. I have put up the videos, and remember Roy failed a test I believe in the Hall fight, so show me all these differences in speed what Roy was doing.

    Edit

    Roy was so done that on his last defeat before Calzaghe, he had taken the LHW champ to a decision in a hard fought fight