Did Rubin Carter have genuine potential?

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  1. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Obviously he was a good contender, but despite what the movie potrayed, he didn't beat Giardello.

    Do you think if it wasn't for prison, he ever had it in him to become a middleweight champion, even if briefly?
     
  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Considering some of the men that won that belt I would say yes
     
  3. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 OFFICIAL THREAD DIDDLER banned Full Member

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    Anybody who can beat the absolute **** out of Emile Griffith is for sure talented, in some way or the other.
     
  4. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    Carter was already pretty solidly on the slide by the time he was arrested. I don't think he would win the title personally but he was a huge puncher, so there's always the chance he chins the right guy at the right time.
     
  5. newurban99

    newurban99 Active Member Full Member

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    He was a terrifying puncher and I'm glad they didn't match him with 45-year-old Sugar Ray Robinson. I would bet that some lowlife manager or promoter tried to do that.
     
  6. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    He could and should have fought at 154 and would be a very dangerous man based on styles .. he was a small middleweight ..
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    I think that his peak had already passed when he went to prison, and that it was likely downhill from there.
     
  8. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    That is one of the greatest aberrations in the history of boxing. It would never happen again.
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    In his autobiography Carter said he knew Griffin could outbox him so he taunted him at the weighin about rumors of being gay and Emile came out angry and got caught.
     
  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He had reached his absolute potential and was on the downside of his career.
     
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  11. fbear

    fbear Member Full Member

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    No. Carter wasn't that good. Punch drunk. He just wailed away. That's why they called him "Hurricane". Against a skilled boxer he would have no chance.

    Bob Dylan's song was 95% fiction. The only truth in the song is that Carter was convicted of the murders. If it wasn't for the song, We wouldn't be having this discussion. Carter would be a nobody.

    As has been pointed out, in no way did the conviction hurt his chances, he was already on the decline when the murders happened.
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    You should watch him fight sometime. You are way off. The guy had surprising skills and some great moves.

    He literally beat George Benton (9 fight streak, rated #3) in a close affair and lost a razor-thin decision against Joey Archer (rated #4) in another tight affair where Carter edges the scores at ringside. Both were brilliantly skilled boxers.
     
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  13. Mandela2039

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    Just saying, you don't beat Emile Griffith by being a crude slugger...
     
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