Did Shogun Ever Explain What Happened In The Jones Fight?

Fair enough mate, no sweat :good

 

**** man, have you ever been in a fight or even played any contact sport at all? :huh

Do you not understand that getting hit can damage your speed, your reflexes, your power, your co-ordination, your timing and your equilibrium, even if it doesn't knock you unconscious and you remain coherent? Have you not experienced that in your own life? :huh

There are MANY cases of fighters soaking up shots like that, going on to win the fight by instinct alone, and not knowing the outcome or being able to remember the fight when back in the dressing room.

**** man, I've experienced that playing cricket. Hit on the head and knocked down while batting, stood up within 3 seconds, continued batting except now playing like I was drunk, got hit again to the body a couple of times to little effect and then later that night was dizzy and couldn't remember how I got out.

That knee ****ed Shogun up. Just because it didn't knock him unconscious on the spot, doesn't mean it didn't **** him up.

YOU are the one who is guessing and speculating.

You are talking about other nights against other fighters, and using these other nights to imagine the scenario that you prefer to have happened.

I am using what happened on the night in question. As according to the video AND the words of the participants. Words which you dismiss out of hand, of course.

Nowhere have I said that Shogun was not rusty or not affected by the surgery. I don't know if he was or not, and I don't think anyone does. We didn't get to see if he was affected. Because that fight was over as a contest 10 seconds into the first round, when Jones landed the flying knee that Shogun himself concedes ruined his chances of doing anything in the fight. :-(

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Yawn. I'm kind of bored with this thread now. I don't believe that one knee which didn't even drop Shogun was the be all and end all of that fight. You do. Great. I believe that Shogun, like he has in the past, came to fight a shadow of himself because he doesn't respond well to long lay-offs due to injury/surgery. You don't. Double great. Next.

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I do believe that the knee decided the outcome of the fight before Shogun was even finished throwing his first punch, yes.

Jon Jones believes that as well.

Shogun Rua does too. :good

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A pity they didn't share that knowledge with each other or the referee, as they both kept on fighting for another 3 rounds and the referee let it continue as well.

 

Funny response.

But you are still wrong. :yep

And just for the record, have you personally ever copped a hit that didn't knock you out, but that did reduce your physical ability for the next few minutes or hour or so? Or not?

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So much is wrong with that guy's opinion:

- Shogun has been rocked before, I'm sure I remember him being visibly hurt and wobbled by a flush hook from L'il Nog in the MW GP, and he fought through it. If Shogun was the type of fighter who had EVER been totalled by one shot before, then maybe this opinion would have some connection to reality

- So many times we've seen guys look dead on their feet, then come back. God, how the **** can anyone say a knee which didn't drop Rua ended the fight when he kept fighting for 3 rounds afterwards, when we have clearly seen guys like Kongo (vs Barry) literally come back from the dead after they WERE dropped, rocked and almost out of it!

- Obviously, if Rua was hurt to the point that he was no longer capable of competing, Jones would've finished him right after that. It's not as if Jones eased off or didn't hit him again for a while, he landed bombs throughout the fight, if Rua was really on ***** Street following that knee he'd have folded much earlier, it was the accumulation of punishment which wore Rua down, not one delayed-reaction knee 3 rounds earlier! Illogical.

Anyway, I'm logging off the night, too much silliness in here for my liking today.

 

Not to the point where I can continue to take MASSIVE punishment for a long time without folding. If I was hit to the point that it reduced my physical ability and then I continued to eat similar punishment, human biology/physiology decrees my body would succumb shortly after. That's kind of what happens to human beings.

You're overstating the effects of that knee. Jones beat down on Rua. It was an accumulation stoppage, he wore him down with continuous vicious attacks.

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Knee, or no knee, what killed Shogun was how much energy he expended from the bottom in the opening round. Did the knee make him easier to put on his back? Maybe. Could his conditioning been hampered due to his lay-off, and allow him to run out of gas faster? Maybe.

 

I agree with the parts in red.

 

Look man, you are a little off with what I'm saying.

Put it this way.

Shogun had a fight plan when the first bell rang. He approached Jon Jones with a strategy in mind for how to get the win.

And then the first thing that happened in the fight is the flying knee. And as soon as that landed, Shogun's fight plan went out the window completely and from then on he was just trying to survive. He had no chance to impose his will on Jones, and Jones was aggressive and active enough to press the advantage and add to the damage. Shogun did well to last as long as he did, he is a good enough fighter that he didn't get steamrolled in the next 30 seconds like most guys would have.

Rua was still capable of competing. Still capable of defending himself well. Still capable of beating a lesser opponent. But he was never in this fight at any stage. He was never pressing his own agenda. He was always reacting to whatever Jones chose to do, right from the start. Come on man, you can see in the gif that the strike scrambled Shogun and meant Jones was dominating the fight straightaway.

I happen to think that Jones knocks Shogun stupid most of the time no matter what condition Shogun shows up in. But the reason this particular time got so ugly so quickly is because Shogun was wrecked by the knee before any other factors had a chance to come into play. In surviving he was hurt further and expended most of the energy that he needed to have a chance to get back in the fight. That was what lost him the fight, and that traces back directly to the knee, not the layoff. 10 seconds into the fight, Rua essentially had no chance to win except lottery-jackpot fluke. :good

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Um, these two already fought. It was a brutal one sided beating. Jones dominated on the feet, in the clinch and on the ground. To ignore this and to instead look at the fighters past records against completely different guys is not rock solid logic, it is borderline delusional.

 

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?????? i hate shogun but to say he has no heart wtf!!!! have you seen his fights with rampage and lil nog the guy has been in ****ing wars with sooo many elite fighters and has only been rocked twice in his whole mma career so to say he has no heart is plainly ******ed.