Did Telling JMM He Was Ahead Affect the Outcome of the Fight?

No, and I don't even think he pulled an 'Oscar'

 

it did on my card. i have pac getting the 10th, 11th and 12th were marquez looked passive. i don't know how this can relate to the official judges cards going into the 10th and 11th round.

i don't think anyone would get jacked if he has 11 "clear' rounds. watching this fight, the only clear round that i can honestly say is the 5th.

 

Says the man with the Pac avatar and suspiciously Pinoy sounding moniker...

 

No. He won the fight so it helped him.

Thread title should have been.

If Arum wasn't pulling strings would pac of won the fight.....But we already know the answer to that.

 

again, what does my avatar have to do with what i have said? seriously, some of you guys need to be mature enough not to judge based on outside appearance or nationality. i can actually take this avatar off so as not to offend criticial-minded guys like you but i don't feel the need to do it.

i was actually honest in saying it since i have marquez 5 rounds to 4 until he played it much safer in the last few rounds where i gave pac rounds 10, 11 and 12.

now, the official judges are a different matter.

 

On my scorecard, yes. I had JMM ahead 6-5 going into the 12th.

 

wow, so to most it's 11 clear rounds for jmm? that's more dominant than what morales did against pac the first time. jmm is smart and he would not have taken heed even if nacho said it outright that he cruise. it could be that jmm wanted to counterpunch more, stay on the defensive so as to minimize risks. it could be that he got tired (believe it or not, jmm took some solid shots too) or a combination of both.

 

it helped keep him settled and not brawl and end up getting KD from pacs wild angle punches

 

lmfao-ur in the minority on that one:deal

jmm had 5 clear rounds
pac had 2

5 rounds were close:deal

You'll find that the majority will side with me on this one:deal

 

This would have been entirely possible.

 

Not on the official cards; Moretti and Trowbridge's scoring was so bad that he was already screwed come the 11th round. Not on my card either; he was still countering Pacquiao and Pacquiao wasn't exactly doing anything significant in those two rounds either. The Oscar comparison is completely loony. Would anyone have been able to surmise that Marquez had received such advice based on what when on in the ring alone if HBO hadn't aired corner comments?

 

Right on.

In between 9 and 10, Roach told Manny in the corner he needs a KO. I suspect Nacho knew Pac was gettin' ready to come with the flyin' wild style all out. Marquez was ready for it, didn't get knocked down, and continued to win the fight.

 

good points, and also Manny Steward in post fight comments "blaming" Marquez loss on his "taking it easy" (on Nacho's advice) the last couple rounds.

If one hangs around ESB long enough, one sees how posters tend to parrot what commentators have said, etc.

 

That's exactly what happened those who gave pac the late rounds were listening to hbo rather than just seeing JMM stand right in front of Pac and counter him like he did all the other rds. He did not run or give up. Pac engaged less and JMM still was landing jabs, right hands and body shots in between the "action" which Pac did not even get the best of. JMM always landed the last and best punches.