Did Terry Norris carry Ray Leonard?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Balder, Nov 29, 2021.

  1. Balder

    Balder Well-Known Member Full Member

    Nov 10, 2012
    Watching the fight again, and it seems Terry could have ended the fight after the 8th round.

    Did he take it easy on Leonard so he could get to the end?

    Leonard looked like he wanted out, expecially in the later rounds.
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    No, Ray landed some hard shots towards the end of the round and was still dangerous.
  3. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Active Member Full Member

    Mar 19, 2021
    His corner probably told him to be cautious. I did see Terry on the receiving end at the end of round 11 but he seems not to have noticed
  4. Pugguy

    Pugguy Active Member Full Member

    Aug 22, 2021
    I did have the impression that Norris might’ve eased off in the later rounds - did he say something to that effect after the fight, I can’t recall? It’s true that after a certain point, Ray was looking like he’d rather be anywhere else than in the ring. Very tough beatdown. Tbh, haven’t watched this one in a long time.
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  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    I remember someone saying that Norris respected Ray and at times that maybe came thru in the fight. Maybe he wanted Ray to have that last moral victory of lasting the distance?
    Hard to say.
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  6. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Nov 24, 2005
    For some reason, in my mind I always remember this fight being a late round stoppage, a TKO in the 11th or something. I only saw it once.
    It's only when people discuss it here that I check out the records and see it went the distance.

    So, yeah, maybe.
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  7. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 27, 2005
    Norris was cautious as he knew Leonard was trying to bait him as the fight went on which was his only possible course to victory at that point. Norris was pretty cautious overall really despite his dominance. He knew he had that chin too as did Leonard. He belted Leonard when he was on the canvas and i don't think that's a sign of a guy going to carry somebody. As a matter of fact Leonard could have simply done a Santana and absolutely walked away with a disqualification victory. No dog in that guy.
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  8. 88Chris05

    88Chris05 Active Member Full Member

    Aug 20, 2013
    Norris has claimed a couple of times (including quite recently) that at about the half way stage he decided to carry Leonard and just do enough to win without stopping or badly injuring him, as he was facing his idol.

    Apparently he was expecting a much better Leonard than the one who showed up, so explained that he came out very aggressively and, as we've all seen, he beat the stuff out of Leonard very heavily in the early rounds. Went on to say that, once he'd realised that Ray didn't have it anymore and wasn't a threat in this fight, he was happy to just keep touching him up and go the full twelve (there was certainly a slackening in Norris' aggression and output as the fight wore on).

    Have to be skeptical of any 'carrying' claims, I guess. It might not always be a huge risk, but it's a risk nonetheless and even more so against Leonard, even if it was a badly faded version. Been a while since I watched this fight but from my memory, it did strike me as one where the carrying claims might well have had some truth to them.
  9. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Active Member Full Member

    Mar 19, 2021
    Leonard never demonstrated that he could handle a mover like Norris

    the other 154 pounders were Howard who gave him hell and Kalule, a questionable and very stiff European.

    Both went nine but neither hand any defensive skills, and their offense was weak

    Norris though, had the power to get Ray in trouble and he did

    and should he fail to stop his man, he could box brilliantly, coasting his way to victory without losing a round

    The only real question is; WHAT WOULD FLOYD DO IN THIS SITUATION?
  10. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

    Mar 19, 2012
    Yes Norris carried him.
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  11. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

    Nov 22, 2014
    This. I don’t blame Norris, since he probably figured it would be Leonard’s last fight, so he didn’t go for the kill.
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  12. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    Norris would have destroyed Floyd and Floyd would have beaten Ray at 154 but he wouldn`t have floored him at all.
  13. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 27, 2005
    The prime SRL who fought Kalule at 154 absolutely would have beaten Floyd.
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  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    He might have. It’s been 30 years since I’ve seen that fight. All I can really remember is Leonard being dominated.
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  15. Turnip mk3

    Turnip mk3 Member Full Member

    Feb 6, 2021
    I think Norris knew he was wining . Why take chances with SRL . Was a sad day for me when the magic ended.