Did the 12 round limit ruin the heavyweights?

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  1. joeboxer

    joeboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think its the 12 round fights. More or less crooked promoters, crooked sanctioning bodies, too many belts, pay per view.
    Look there were boring 15 round fights in the past, and there have been great 12 round fights today. Thats not the big issue.
     
  2. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    There is no empirical data to prove this theory at ALL.
     
  3. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    Thats what they will tell you it was done for, but in reality it was done so a 12 round bout could be featured on a one hour time slot for television purposes.

    There is no data that suggests dropping the rounds actually helped save lives, statistically speaking.
     
  4. buddynabuick

    buddynabuick Active Member Full Member

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    if the bleeding hearts (those that desire to control others) were able to have have a fight cut from 15 to 12, the logical course would then be to say that 12 is now to many rounds and we feel (for the safety of the fighters:lol:) we must cut it down to 10...then 8 then they will make fighters wear SOCKER BOPPERS FOR THEIR 4 ROUNDERS. If we let-em control how many rounds we can fight, that then gives them licence to micro manage every aspect of our lives:yep
     
  5. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Of course not.

    Some people would like to go back to 15 rounds. That's fine with me, but fix the weigh-in procedure first. It doesn't affect the HWs, but it does the other divisions.
     
  6. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    12 round saved the boxing, in the other way most of them would be died from exhausting. 15 rounds favor well conditioned and hard chinned boxers. 12 rounds favor boxers and punchers.

    In 12 rounds Ali without rope-a-dope farce would be knocked out by Foreman if he try to stand like a man and fight.
     
  7. 0-1

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    I'm not totally clear on what you mean about Ali-Foreman, but I think it's worth pointing out two things: one that Ali's tactics in that fight were both incredibly brave and a work of boxing genius; the second is that Ali knocked out Foreman in the eighth...
     
  8. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    How is puberty treating you?
     
  9. Tencount85

    Tencount85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The 15 rounds certainly settled most disputes, but, it makes it possible for more long term injuries and what not.
     
  10. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    Misinformed.
     
  11. Bigcat

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    The 15 rounds were the ultimate fighting rounds.. Champions only boxed over 15 , It made such epic title fights as Ali v Frazier and Norton v Holmes possible..

    It is deemed safer alround now that the set 12 is the way forward.. But the initial reason for 12 was it fitted into an hour TV slot perfectly with the breaks inbetween.

    Great fighters like great gladiators loved the 15's, Mike Tyson loved the idea of open rounds like in the days of his hero Jack Dempsey..

    Mike appeared in the last ever scheduled 15 round heavyweight championship bout against Tyrell Biggs.. He ended it however in 7....
     
  12. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    :good

    It is deemed safer, yet statistical analysis shows that the amount of deaths due to boxing have not dropped significantly enough to credit the 3 round deduction as the source. In fact, most of the evidence points to the de/rehydration process as the true source of boxing deaths, as the brain has less "padding" to absorb punishment.
     
  13. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    I said the TV formatting was more responsible, IMO. ALL about $$$$.

    I'm not aware of any studies that have been done since, but I'd bet that the data would be on par with as it was, previously.
     
  14. Bigcat

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    Completely agree..

    It was all for TV..

    I spoke to Margaret Goodman about that a year or so ago and she was pretty much on my wave length about it..

    12 is not at all safer...........:-(
     
  15. Stinky gloves

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    Yeah but after that he was using rope-a-dope to survive most of the later
    fights. If the fights were 15 rounds everybody sooner or later would invent
    something to survive first 10-12 rounds and save power to the latest 3.

    In 12 rounds boxers come strong from beggining not worrying that they will
    lose gas so fights are more interesting and favour fast boxers/punchers.

    For people who think Maywether may run out of gas after 12 they may
    be fooled, Mayweather absorb small amout of shots and land more than
    oponents so 15 rounds would favor him even more than 12.

    15 round favour strong well conditioned boxers, Wlad would be totaly
    exhausted after 12 if someone would survive to that point.