Did the ancient Greeks and Romans write about boxing technique?

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  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    I've read that bare knuckle boxers would read ancient greek and roman scripture and base their punching techniques and form on them. How true is this? Do we have surviving technical accounts or manuals from ancient boxers?
     
  2. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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  3. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seems I recall reading some of those boxing matches were to the death, yikes!
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    How many bareknuckle boxers do you think could read ancient Greek or Roman scripture?
    How many people have you met that could?
     
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  5. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    I could believe that people from the Victorian era or beforehand at least tried deciphering what the ancient Greeks and Romans wrote, and perhaps boxers from that era built their style on those interpretations. The 18th and 19th centuries were filled with a revived cultural obsession with ancient Greeks and Romans
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    The problem is pygmaxia lent itself to incredibly short careers; and if you did survive through a number of fights it was probably by sheer dint of natural gifts (strength & speed), willpower, luck, and learned instinct mapped to your in the moment adrenaline response - and not so much by "knowing" what to do in scenario XYZ. You didn't really have much opportunity to hone "craft" as it were. There were no Virgil Hills or Amir Khans in the arena. You're not jabbing your way to fame, and if you can't navigate a close melee and take a hit well you simply aren't long for this world.

    I'm sure they were all taught rudiments to make it sporting enough to entertain the populace but there's no drills you can really do for getting whacked upside the jaw with a caestus. You either manage to soldier through it or you black out and never wake up.
     
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  7. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was indeed a great period of (attempted) neo-classicism - Napoléon & the French were going back to an Ancient Rome format, would that they could. I’ve read there are accounts of what might be considered the foetus of Boxing in Ancient Egypt, too.
     
  8. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Few boxers from the 18th century could read or write at all, them knowing Greek or Latin is out of the question.
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I can believe several of the bare knucklers would have had some difficulty in deciphering plain English !
     
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  10. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

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    The Romans would have been horrified at the sight of modern day boxing gloves.
     
  11. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    To this day, there are a lot of great Italian and Greekian boxer champions.
     
  12. Hotep Kemba

    Hotep Kemba Member Full Member

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    The socioeconomic conditions required to make a bare knuckle boxer are usually mutually exclusive to the socioeconomic conditions required to read Latin and Ancient Greek:lol:

    Someone probably just said that because it makes a good story. Inheriting the legacy of ancient warriors, learning the art of mortal combat and becoming the spiritual successor of Legionnaires and Spartans admittedly sounds hardcore and ultra badass :boxing1

    But considering most bare knuckle boxers from that era likely couldn't even read their own native language let alone the classics, I doubt the veracity of that claim.
     
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  13. Hotep Kemba

    Hotep Kemba Member Full Member

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    Boxing is for effete sissies, as expected of the Italians. Real men wrastle, just ask the Georgians. Ancient Romans wrote about using them for labour because they were so robust and strong. Real ubermensch, unlike their italo-hellenic counterparts:coleman:
     
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