Did the Ringside physician of the Katsidis-Amonsot fight deserve to be buttkicked?

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  1. Spitfire7

    Spitfire7 Gadfly Full Member

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    26 stitches. subdural haematoma. and a bucketful of blood. possible end of career. when should a doctor say "enough?":-(
     
  2. DonPrestige

    DonPrestige Active Member Full Member

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    It difficult to say especially with the benfit of hindsight. The system wont ever be perfect, is a doctor given a few seconds in a heated and amped arena suppose to never make a mistake. Also in the current climate where fighters seem to be a little over protected with oversized clown gloves and fights being stopped to early it can be a very fine line.

    Take the Gatti-Gomez fight for example I think it stopped at the right place with a knockdown of a warrior which proved he was past it. That knockdown was a clear indication he was not going to do anything except get hurt further rather than earlier when he was caught in some flurries from Gomez where others wanted to see it stopped. Its a very thin line.


    Also I think attention should be drawn more towards some of the refereeing we are seeing these days with moves towards more transparency rather than a doctor who is significantly more qualified than 99% of us being vilified.
     
  3. Cookie

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    The injury to Amonsot is very unfortunate but not one that can really be blamed on anyone. He was taking hard shots for sure, but never looked in dire trouble really. I doubt the physician could have noticed anything unusual without thoroughly examining Amonsot. Which you obviously can't do during a fight.

    The Katsidis situation is more interesting. I can't remember the last time I saw someone be allowed to fight the majority of a boxing match with such injuries. I was surprised it was allowed to go on. I've seen people stopped for a lot less. But I think the key factor was that Katsidis was not particularly hampered by the injuries. He may well have been impaired, but not to the point where he couldn't defend himself. So perhaps that was the right decision. He's not going to be blinded for life or anything. Those superficial injuries will heal very quickly.
     
  4. boxbox

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    those were some nasty cuts! 26 stitches to close them up!?! wtf!?
     
  5. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    Possible end of a career and a subdural haematoma? These happened to the guy the was never even looking wobbly. If the fight had of been stopped for the sake of Amonsot everyone would have thought it was a corrupt doctor!

    So you can remove those from the list, and from any criticism of the doctor.

    26 stiches? That's a different story. I dont think anyone would have batted an eyelid if the doctor stopped it for the cuts. But he made the decision that it wasn't dangerous, and it turned out to be correct. The exact placement and depth of the cuts is the important thing, and the doctor knows more about this then I do.

    Looks to me that he did his job ok.
     
  6. Spitfire7

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    Am thinking why the doctor didn't stop the fight in the mid to 10th rds. precisely for the reason of the more visible evodence ie. bleeding and injuries to Katsidis-- and he could still be winning anyway. As the fight progressed from then on, who knows the 26 stitches would have been less and Amonsot would've even been spared from the haematoma which i believe happened more likely on the 10th rd. where his head was at the receiving end of Rocky's furious flurries...

    For the record, we might not be seeing Katsi for a year or so yet in order to let his wounds and cuts heal totally. That's too bad, seeing how entertaining and ballsy this warrior is. Amonsot, another entertaining fighter, might get banned in Nevada...
     
  7. Spitfire7

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    A hypothetical Q: Would there be a greater and more savage brouhaha from boxing circles if it was Rocky Katsidis who was at the losing end of the fight than the subdued voices we have right now?
     
  8. Spitfire7

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  9. BoppaZoo

    BoppaZoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i think Amonsot's Corner should have known there fighter a bit better.

    like take Tszyu vs Hatton for instance, Johnny Lewis Tszyu's trainer started to realize that in his mind Kostya really was gassed and put a end to the fight and it was the right decision because Tszyu got out there with out fighting another Brutal paced round.

    now i thought after Amonsot got knocked down the 2nd time in the 10th if that was me in the Corner of Amonsot i would have said no Czar ive seen enough. Thats me though.

    as for Katsidis, i dont think anyone has seen cuts like that and the fight continue but as i say this there are alot of boxing promoters and political figures in boxing in America that wont to see Katsidis go far because he gives the crowds want they want.

    There is big PPV riding on Katsidis i feel for future fights with say Juan Diaz, Joan Guzman etc. so they couldnt have Katsidis losing to a fighter like Czar on cuts when Katsidis was clearly winning the fight.

    Thats why i feel they ran with it.
     
  10. Spitfire7

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    :good Good take, Bro, some very interesting points you raised there.

    I kinda disagree a little bit though on Amonsot's corner stopping it as they might be hoping their kid would capitalize on Katsi's nasty cuts to get the win somewhere. If there is anyone more qualified to judge whether a fighter is fit to continue or not and stop the fight, its not the corner but the doctor who is there in the first place to protect the fighter's (and any individual's) health. That's what the Hippocratic Oath is all about. And if that Doctor did order a stop for Katsidis's more obvious sake, he might have saved further enlargement and swelling of the wound, and on the process, unknowingly save Amonsot from the haematoma too---all prolly without much ado nor having to rob Katsidis of his obvious victory. I think you're right on the money though (pun intended) on the American promotional stint...

    Overall, that Watson guy, botched on his job as physician--plain and simple.:verysad
     
  11. BoppaZoo

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    the Doc was all over the place. but i bt he had alot of pressure from the men from HBO,etc.
    because its simple Katsidis can give you a Gatti type perfomance and Amonsot isnt as big in terms of earning money.

    in the end we seen a war and the right man won the fight.

    i agree with you on this spitfire. i just hope thats not the last we see of Amonsot.
     
  12. Spitfire7

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    Yep, fine old school warriors both! :goodSad we have to wait a year or so for either fighter to grace the squared circle once again, thanks to an inept physician..:fire
     
  13. BoppaZoo

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    yeah i know after that, Amonsot probably wont be aloud to fight again until say May 2008 or so.
    as for Katsidis i would say he would be ready about say Feb 2008 or so.
     
  14. Boinko

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    I kept saying from the minute the cut happened "They gotta stop this fight." There was no reason to risk Katsidis' eyesight.
    I was very surprised that not only did the fight not get stopped, but it didn't even seem like there was much serious conversation about it getting stopped until very late in the fight.

    There is no question that Katsidis is a warrior, but I would rather see a physician error on the side of caution and stop a fight when a guy has such a serious cut. I know many will disagree with me since a fight stoppage on a cut always seems like such a unsatisfying conclusion. But, as fans, we're not the ones taking the punches and suffering the long term consequences.
     
  15. El Bombasto

    El Bombasto Ask yo momma Full Member

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    -katsidis was winning by a good margin, no doctor wants to take that away from a fighter (an undefeated fighter) unless absolutely necessary

    -amonsot's behaviour did not in any way indicate he was hurt, and given the cuts issue, the doc. spent his entire time in katsidis's corner and did not have an opportunity to get a good look at amonsot