Did the second Foreman REALLY have a better chin than the first Foreman?

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Did the second Foreman REALLY have a better chin than the first Foreman?

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  1. BCS8

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    You absolutely can and that's why boxers do neck exercises and why Chuvalo chewed gum non stop. The more muscle you have in your neck and (this could be arguable I guess) head structure, the more your skull resists displacement. It's the brain bouncing off the inside of the skull that causes trauma. If the skull moves much less, the brain will have much less trauma. That's why boxers tuck their chin in. By reducing the lever effect you reduce the amount of torque applied to the neck and skull. In my view getting older is certainly bad, but it can be more than compensated for in other respects by more weight, more muscle, better technique and less dehydration.
     
  2. janitor

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    Yes but fighters have always done these things.

    There was nothing for 90s Foreman to add except more trauma.
     
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  3. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Holynder Full Member

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    the ratio changed from 10:4 to 17:14 in favor of "YES", and I voted "no".
     
  4. sauhund II

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    Foreman fought ONE puncher in his comeback and that was a loosing effort vs fragile Tommy Chin.

    Comeback Foreman avoided ANY Big punchers, period, Lewis/Bowe/Tua/Ruddock/Bruno/Smith etc would have signed a Foreman fight instantly except Foreman was MIA.

    Briggs was the definition of the Tomato can crusher, never ever ko'ed anybody worth a lick.

    Young or old, Foreman had a great chin but it was never tested in his comback vs guys who can really crack.
     
  5. BCS8

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    Except for (exhibit a) 70s Foreman was KD by smaller and lighter punching fighters and (exhibit b) 90s Foreman took shots by monster punchers and did not go down. 90s Foreman clearly had more punch resistance. He clearly had something that 70s Foreman did not.
     
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  6. BCS8

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    Compared to who? 90s Foreman faced guys that were bigger and hit harder than the guys 70s Foreman faced. Briggs was a harder puncher than anybody 70s Foreman faced.
     
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  7. sauhund II

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    What "Monster" punchers did he take shots from ? Morrison ? Morrison tko'ed a washed up Ruddock , thats it, still I would consider him a puncher but he aint "Monster".
     
  8. BCS8

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    He's a better puncher than anybody 70s Foreman faced.
     
  9. cross_trainer

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    What that is telling you is that an ounce of delivery is worth a pound of power.

    Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, must be the truth.
     
  11. BCS8

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    That 90s Foreman had the better chin :deal: Agreed.
     
  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Laughably untrue.
     
  13. BCS8

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    Absolutely correct.
     
  14. janitor

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    It is possible that the punchers that Foreman fought in the 90s were not the dreadnoughts that they were made out to be.

    It is also possible that Foreman took their punches better because he paced himself better, or for another reason not related to his chin.

    It is not possible that his chin was better in his 40s than it was in his 20s.

    So that brings us back to the first two explanations.
     
  15. BCS8

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    I keep forgetting that in the 70s the supply of MAGIC DUST in the air made people more durable and powerful than at any other time in history. Meanwhile actual steroid freaks like Holyfield and Morrison and probably Briggs were deluding themselves by injecting industrial amounts of chemicals into their bodies. Just because they were blown up with muscles like He-Man figurines does NOT mean that they were stronger than the comparitively stick-like 70s fighters. That MAGIC DUST was incredibly powerful. We should just accept it.
    Pacing is certainly one factor that I have addressed already.
    And yet, visual evidence proves that it was. I can post evidence of GF getting sat on his ass in the 70s. You are welcome to try find evidence of the same in the 90s.
     
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