Did the Takam/AJ fight debunk the idea that....

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  1. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did the Takam/AJ fight thoroughly debunk the idea that fighters from the past like Louis, Dempsey, Marciano, Holyfield and Tyson would have been overwhelmed by the super HW's such as AJ, K-Bros, Lewis, Fury etc. ??

    The last 17 years of the HW Division has seen a complete dominance by Super Heavies (fighters 6'5 and over and 230lbs and up) no smaller HW has really made a dent but was that because the super HW's were just too big or was it because the overall quaity of the fighters in the HW division was so lacking compared to previous era's ??
     
  2. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    No and for me personally, I never thought that to begin with.

    Right now I would favor the cruiserweights over many of the heavyweights.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    Joshua is 6'6 and 254 pounds.
    How is he debunking an idea of super-heavyweight dominance ??
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    At a listed 6'1.5" and scaling 235.5lbs for the Joshua fight,[he has been appreciably heavier previously] Takam is hardly cast in the Dempsey ,Louis,Marciano mould.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Everyone needs to calm down a bit about this fight. People next door are saying it proves Joshua isn't something, Takam is, and in here we're using it to project Dempsey v Lewis.

    It's just one fight. Takam's career maybe says something, but probably not the thing you're reaching for here, IMO.

    I'm very very interested to see how Usyk does when he moves up, assuming he beats Gassiev (Which is assuming plenty), but the answer i would give would be a resounding "no".
     
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  6. McGrain

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    Haha, right.
     
  7. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I don't think that idea required debunking, as the evidence in its favor was already tissue thin. One of the most common and persistent cognitive biases humans display is to wildly over-extrapolate from recent short term trends. Tellingly, much more persistent trends are much less likely to be overinterpreted to this degree if they occurred in the distant past, even if they are just as easily confirmed.

    Recency bias is at least as powerful as nostalgia bias.
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    AJ is a work in progress nothing less,nothing more.If Wilder finds his chin with a right hand and sparks him half this forum will be saying ,"I always knew he was an accident waiting to happen,""He never impressed me"etc.

    Human nature and public opinion is so fickle ,a week ago Kevin Spacey was of the elite as an actor , and stage director, he could not have prompted more accolades and plaudits.
    Today he is a social pariah,with people coming out of the woodwork and queuing up to get their blades into him.His career is in ruins.

    It reminds me of that scene in" Call Of The Wild "when one of the sled dogs loses a fight with a rival,and the pack instantly turn on him.
     
  9. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I agree entirely about Joshua, and definitely won't be saying I told you so because I haven't told anyone so.

    Two things about the Kevin Spacey incident amaze me:

    1) People seriously didn't know Kevin Spacey was gay?

    2) Why is he not being given some credit for being honest about a thirty year old incident that could not possibly have been proven?
     
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  10. reznick

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    Name me one guy that Dempsey fought who was 245lb, fought the best SHWs of his day, knows how to jab, and has fiber twitch muscles.

    Name me one.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    Joshua's perceived ability has only ever gone down among those who overrated him unrealistically.
    For me, the Klitschko and Takam fights are his finest work by far.
    Joshua's doing fine.
     
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  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I hear much less about that assumption since that body shot + uppercut combo.
    2016 everyone was riding highest on Canelo, Usyk and AJ.
    The tides are shifting towards Golovkin, Gassiev, and Wilder.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Wilder?? I hear what you're saying on some of that other stuff, but that guy has staged five defences 0 ranked contenders (Ring or TBRB) and is about to fight a guy he beat easily in a dull fight.
     
  14. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Are we just looking at numbers on a stat sheet though?
    Look at the guy.
    He can jump, spin, swing his arms, and they'll still leave on a stretcher.

    His power is insane
    And with it, he can control fights like nobody else.

    He was signed up to fight Povetkin and Ortiz, and those fell through.
    I'd rather consider those as automatic wins, than to insinuate he's avoiding better talent.
     
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, i've seen lots of guys look really great against poor opposition, control fights like nobody else against poor opposition, stretcher people out against poor opposition.

    Joshua for example.

    He matches the #5 contender and when that falls through he matches the #6 contender, and when the ref pulls his opponent out early in a fight in which he won every round, the pendulum is somehow swinging back to a guy whose fought relative crap?

    Not in my world.