Did the Takam/AJ fight debunk the idea that....

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  1. crixus85

    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For someone with a total of around just, 40 amateur and 20 Pro' fights, Joshua appears to be doing fine. It is surprising how many object to his personable manner. Perhaps some of the oafish loudmouths who threaten to "kill" or end careers of opponents could take a leaf out of his book. This would help all true boxing followers, not to feel embarrassed in any company, when boxing comes up in conversation.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

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    I think it's easy to see stats on a page such as 5 inch height and reach advantage, 20 pound advantage and assume it means one guy wins by default.

    But history shows us it isn't always the biggest man who wins, otherwise Valuev would be the goat.

    But of course size is a big advantage. Would a smaller Joshua still have beaten Takam, well never know. But we do know Takam worked Joshua to his cardio limit, that's about all he did though, made Joshua tire a bit.

    Size dominance is a bit overstated, but it is also a big advantage.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Especially when it's accompanied by serious power.
     
  4. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Deontay Wilder was only 219 lbs for his 6'7" against Stiverne .Maybe this was Tyson's best weight
    and Tyson could destroy more massive world champion (247 lbs ripped muscular Bruno) like
    Joshua.
    Ok, Lewis was a great super HW but Fury,klitschkos,Joshua...What's their combined best win ?
    Haye (a boring win by decision) ? Was Haye better than the prime Holyfield or Tyson ? I doubt it.
    For example Holyfield's Bowe win better than these SHWs full winning list.
    And honorable mention the 210.75 lbs unprepared featherfisted Byrd beat V. klitschko easier than
    Lewis.all in all these SHWs are vastly overrated.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Most definitely.
     
  6. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Huge size can be an advantage but its not every thing .casual fans see someone like AJ and.think he is unbeatable Perhaps he.is but that is not due to looking like something out of a comic book.will be fun finding out.
     
  7. Gudetama

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    Yup. These modern superheavies have too much seafood in the diet, too. Before you know it, the 'fibre twitch' has developed into a full blown case of Fibre Twitch Mussel. (sorry to piggyback onto your joke. That was a bit shellfish of me)
     
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  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your premise is faulty. No one in their right mind would claim that Lewis would overwhelm Holy, since he didn't even overwhelm an old version of Evander. And most would give Tyson a decent to very good chance against everyone you mentioned above.

    Secondly, the difference in size between Takem and Marciano/ Dempsey is significantly larger than the one between Joshua and Takem. Takem has about 45-50 lbs on those two, compared to the about 15-20 lbs Joshua has on Takem.

    Thirdly, Joshua lost at most one round against Takem (none on my card, though) floored him and subsequently stopped him. It was a very one-sided affair.
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Takam has an 80-inch reach and weighed in around 230 pounds for the fight.

    Takam did not win a round and was floored and cut. Joshua really didn't look good either, but that is because he doesn't do well vs movers and seems to have some late round stamina issues. Props to Takam, he's a fringe contender gatekeeper type who's not going to fold.

    Regarding 6'5" that used to big a very big heavyweight in the early 1990's. They were pretty rare. Now its seems 6'5" is commonplace! Most of the top prospect is between 6'4" to 6'9" tall.

    The top ten is in flux these days. The six names who belong are Joshua, Povetkin Parker, Wilder, Ortiz, and Pulev. Povektin is the only one who is 6'2" tall, the others are 6'4" tall or greater.

    And the next group of young guns averages over 6'6" tall in Hrgovic, Yoka, Dychko and Joyce

    If this trend continues boxing might have to move the cruiserweight division up to 215 pounds, allowing guys 5'11" to 6'2" tall with the best weight of 200-220 to compete without being forced pile on pounds ( taking away speed and stamina ) to fight someone who has a best weight of 240-255 pounds.

    I'm not saying a shorter heavy under 220 pounds can't win, but I will say he's not likely to outbox a much larger skilled big guy ( History from 1990 to present shows us this ) and will need to be extra strong in the chin, heart and power department with an aggressive forward moving style to give himself a reasonable chance.
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    Being openly gay isn't a career ender for an actor's these days, but being a boy fiddler is absolutely taboo.

    Keyser Soze is trouble, and my hunch is he won't be alone.

    Joshua has only an average chin suspect stamina if pressed in the later rounds. He also fights dirty under duress, which to me says he's doing it because he thinks he is in danger of losing. I think if he fights a semi skilled puncher, who's not old or small, he will be tested and could lose. The good news for him is there is nothing wrong with his heart, and he remains a skilled super heavyweight puncher in a land of none at the top ten level....but that could change in 3 years.
     
  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Jess Willard
     
  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Maybe he meant fast twitch muscle fiber??