Did the Taylor fight cement Chavez's legacy

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  1. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Sorry man, but the fatal problem with the contention that Taylor got robbed is that it logically requires to you argue that technicalities simultaneously do and don't matter.

    "Technically Taylor was ahead on points, so the referee had no right to split hairs by stopping the fight when there was only technically time left on the clock. "
    The simple fact is Chavez hurt Taylor in such a way that literally any responsible referee would have stopped the fight had this occurred in the last seconds of any earlier round.
     
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  2. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Bit harsh on Taylor to say he was 'exposed'. He was brilliant in that fight. Of course, he made himself easier to hit by standing toe to toe but the fact that he came out on top in so many of those exchanges is testimony to his talent. That approach caught up with him by the end, of course, but it was tremendous to watch.
     
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  3. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Bit harsh on Taylor to say he was 'exposed'. He was brilliant in that fight. Of course, he made himself easier to hit by standing toe to toe but the fact that he came out on top in so many of those exchanges is testimony to his talent. That approach caught up with him by the end, of course, but it was tremendous to watch.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

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    If anything it showed Chavez to be a bit vulnerable at 140 (and that stage of his career as well?) and Taylor to be a very good fighter. Taylor fought like a warrior and i guess had the better of it overall almost to the final bell. Chavez certainly gave him the gut check of all gut checks and he basically passed them. Maybe paid the price tho.
     
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  5. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it helped his legend, but I find it hard for any fight to cement ones legacy, when you're way down on the scorecards (rightfully so), and win in the last seconds of a fight. Taylor could've played it safe, but he didn't, and Chavez capitalized. But that doesn't change Taylor being way ahead and Chavez needing a miracle. It's this revisionism of the fight that gets overblown. This whole, he took a horrible beating, and the fight HAD to be stopped. When fighters take a brutal beating like people are trying to describe, they get KO'd and don't get up. They aren't up very quickly trying to compose himself. They generally don't have looks when it's stopped like, WTF, what are you doing, they are face down on the canvas or struggling to get up. People act like Taylor couldn't make it out of the ring he was so messed up. He walked back to the locker room on this own. Did Chavez land some good shots, sure he did, but it wasn't this brutal beating people make it out to be. Anyways, I have a hard time calling a fight with the above circumstances your legacy maker
     
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  6. he grant

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    I agree my last sentence says it all .. too bad you edit recall of sentences as you do facts ..
     
  7. he grant

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    Taylor
    Whitaker
    Randall

    Three fighters who not only lost to Chavez under terrible circumstances but not offered immediate rematches to regain what was take from them .. then throw in that Chavez threw in his own towel in the De La Hoya rematch and you see the full arch of a truly great 130 - 135 pound fighter who became exploited by a promoter , believed his own hype as he grew older , became a prima donna that felt entitled to his own hype, drowned in drugs and became a sad figure .. watch carefully because PED abusing, denying head case Canelo is on his way to being Chavez 2
     
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  8. highlander

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    well said. two seconds left. steele DID know how much time was left as the 10 second warning HAD been sounded. fight resumes, both men come out of their corners and then the fight is over. so, unless chavez was the flash, there was no way he could have landed another punch with so little time.

    still, chavez WAS a great fighter and taylor fought the fight of his life. this IS one fight for the ages.
     
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  9. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you watch the fight you will see it's FIVE seconds left when Steele begins to wave the fight off which is more than enough time for another punch.
     
  10. Ike-Man

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    There are 12 three minute rounds in a fight, not 11 three minute rounds and one two minutes and 58 seconds round, if the referee feels a fighter is in no condition to continue he has the discretion to stop the fight rather it’s the first second or the last second of the fight. Chavez won Taylor lost, deal with it.
     
  11. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We aren't even talking about whether it was a legit stoppage or not, that wasn't the question posed, nor did I even comment on it. I was commenting on having a hard time calling a fight one's legacy maker when you get thoroughly out-boxed and out-landed throughout the entire fight. He'd land like 2 or 3 punches to every one. He had that fight won if he stayed away and didn't go for the KO. That isn't a fight a legacy is built on, but rather, a fight that shows your toughness and heart more than Legacy.
     
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  12. Ike-Man

    Ike-Man Active Member Full Member

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    Your boy Taylor got battered to half death and lost, accept that and quit whinging like a child.
     
  13. highlander

    highlander Active Member Full Member

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    it has been a long time since i have watched it, but the official time was 2 seconds left. agree, five seconds would just be enough time to land. would it have happened? we will never know!
     
  14. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yup, half to death. He was up at the count of 3, looking at Steele like he's crazy for stopping it, and walks himself out of the ring back to the dressing room. Yup, half to death... please
     
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  15. boranbkk

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    I’m in your corner brother. Some fishy Steele business going on...Don Kings filthy mitts all over this. MT was down for a moment and got up unaided. Stinky stoppage.