Did the Thomas v Tyson bout in `87 proved Holyfield could have taken prime Tyson`s best shots?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was just re-watching Tyson v Thomas and found it interesting that Tyson`s punches didn`t have the same effect on Thomas that they did on most of Mike`s foes, surely this means Mike`s power would have impotent v Holy had he met him prime for prime and surely Ali could have taken these shots too, does anyone agree? Tyson did finish Thomas in amazing fashion though.
     
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  2. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pinklon Thomas had a great chin. And he was still knocked out less than halfway through the fight. I think what that fight proved was that a motivated prime Tyson didn't stop throwing hard shots after 2 or 3 rounds (like the post prison Tyson did)
     
  3. TheWorstEver(TWE)

    TheWorstEver(TWE) New Member Full Member

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    As Bert says, Thomas had a good chin & still got knocked out. Had Tyson fought Holy in his prime that would've been '87 '88, & Holy was frankly too small. '91 Holy was a tad bigger but couldn't control his urge to brawl when tagged which is a recipe for disaster even against a slightly faded Tyson.
     
  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No it does not really prove anything.

    I have always been of the mind, or at least since Holyfield vs Dokes, that Holy would beat Tyson. I have maintained since then that Holy would beat Tyson...but the Tyson Thomas outing does not answer this question. I think @Smokin Bert answered what is revealed quite well. It showed Tyson didn’t stop punching or punching hard after 3 rounds
     
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  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    Your assuming here Mark. It just doesn't work that way. Your constanty playing that ABC game.
     
  6. channy

    channy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mike sure made PT eat those words...

    It's time to go to school son!!!
     
  7. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Pinklon Thomas might've had a Top 10 chin and Top 5 jab in heavyweight history. I haven't seen anyone take that many bombs from Tyson. And those were bombs.

    Still, I have no doubt that prime Tyson beats prime Holyfield. None. 1991 would've been a firefight.
     
  8. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    You thought Holyfield beats Tyson since the Dokes fight? If that was Tyson landing that many shots Holyfield wouldn't have had a career!! That fight, to me, proved a prime Iron Mike would've taken Holyfield out of there. I've heard from some heavies that Dokes didn't hit that hard.

    I agree with the rest of your post though...:D
     
  9. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What it showed was that Thomas had a great chin, possibly the best of his era excluding Cobb.

    I don't think it has any bearing on Holyfield vs Tyson peak for peak. Holyfield nullified Tyson's power and combination punching to an enormous extent and he wouldn't be taking the punches others did. He had the stones and ability to offset Tyson's offense by throwing hard at the same time or jumping in with potshots and tying him up before he could retaliate. He also had the better of the clinches and shows of strength.

    What Tyson did against others didn't matter. He wouldn't and couldn't do the same to Holyfield. Tyson hit as hard as ever when they fought and what punches he did take he took with aplomb. Tyson would not have been able to get his combination punching going against Holyfield anything like he did against others.

    It would become a battle of wills and Holyfield has that side covered against Mike imo.
     
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  10. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I forgot to add that Tyson would be going to Holyfield's body often. It was successful in '96 and '97 and it would've made a huge difference if they fought in '91.
     
  11. TheWorstEver(TWE)

    TheWorstEver(TWE) New Member Full Member

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    Yes & Holyfield had a tiny waist for a heavyweight back then, & Tyson had a murderous body attack, just ask Ruddock.
     
  12. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It just proved how hard hitting andifast Tyson was in his heyday. But Holy field had a different style and mind set to Thomas at that stage anyway.
     
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  13. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Active Member Full Member

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    LOL, sorry bud but that's ****ing laughable, you have no doubt ?? You're awfully confident of Mike's chances considering they both did that fight each other twice, first fight ending in a stoppage and the second fight Mike intentionally got himself DQ'ed when he realized he couldn't hurt EH and was going to get stopped again.
    Oh and before you respond with the inevitable BS excuse that Mike had deteriorated by 1996 blah, blah. Well yeah he had to an extent but so had Evander, remember he had been stopped by Bowe a year previously, lost to Moorer and looked bad against Bobby Czyz, by 1996 Holyfield's speed, stamina and punch output were not what they were compared to the fighter he was back in the late 80's/early 90's.

    Was it ?? Last time I checked Mike got his ass whooped in both fights.
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His body attack may have been slightly effective in `96 and 97 but he should have thrown the body more, Rooney would have helped him in that regard like when Tucker`s jab was bothering Mike and Rooney told him to get underneath the jab and land the uppercut to the body, the next round he did just that landing far harder body shots than he did when panic fighting v Holy in the 90`s.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Thomas had a great chin. I don't think he proved anything much is the Tyson fight though. He did okay and took a huge amount of shots but it wasn't enough to beat Tyson. We knew he had a great chin from the Weaver fight already.

    I fail to see the relevance this fight might have to Tyson v Holyfield at all.
     

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