Did these guys have any weaknesses?

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  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    good joke none of them were
     
  2. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali had lots of weaknesses actually. He slipped too much in his younger days, and also did it a lot in the FOTC and paid vs. Frazier and Doug Jones. He clowned too much. He dropped his hands too low when he threw the uppercut. He laid on the ropes vs. strong, tireless body punchers like Frazier and Norton. He pulled his right hand back when he threw the left jab. He was not a good inside fighter.
     
  3. George forearm

    George forearm The forearm of George Full Member

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    That go's without saying but the majority of his fights were anything but boring
     
  4. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Archie Moore:

    Footspeed

    Muhammad Ali:

    Punching power
    Overreliance on reflexes to avoid punches (but he adapted as he got older)

    Mike McCallum

    footspeed
    punching power above 154

    James Toney

    Inconsistent conditioning
    work rate (punch output)

    Carlos Monzon

    Footspeed

    Fighting Harada

    I know nothing about him
     
  5. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's dead.

    It wasn’t from Ali’s punches though.:ggg
     
  6. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Toneys work rate was actually very good in title fights. It was the stay busy fights where he tended to get lazy
     
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  7. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did you see Dave Tiberi dight?
    Reggie Johnson?
     
  8. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I liked when they rated fighters head to head in 10 categories max of 10 points in each category when there was a coming matchup.

    Theoretically the guy with the most points would win but of course in practice it didnt always work out that way.
     
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  9. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Yea. Reggie Johnson was a very good fighter and it was Toneys very first title defense which he won.

    He was outworked and clearly did not prepare well for Tiberi but the man has had many other title fights against much better fighters than Tiberi such as Nunn/McCallum/Jirov/Barkley/griffin/Rahman/Ruiz/Holyfield/Peter.

    He had excellent output in all of those fights. Tiberi was clearly an outlier
     
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  10. janitor

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    Every boxer has weaknesses.

    The exceptions merely prove the rule!
     
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  11. William Walker

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    He's right. Legs are what it takes to withstand punishment. Cleveland didn't have legs. We all agree that Williams wouldn't have beaten Ali in '66 even with good legs, but it probably would have lasted the distance, since Williams was never knocked out by a light puncher.
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Absolutely:ARMS1:
     
  13. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    That was just about the time Gomez started partying too much so had the mag known about it they could have put that down as a weakness.
     
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